His Arenasness On The Pistons

by hscs on Oct 26, 2007 10:24 AM CDT

Link from PistonsNationBlog (Like Red Sox Nation, only not a marketing gimmick, and without a long history of racism). From MLive.com:

Arenas: You lose Ben Wallace, but you get Webber, so you've got scoring now. Now you lose that scoring five, what do you get? Maxiell? Yeah that's good.

Interviewer: Amir Johnson?

Arenas: Ha. So I'm going to go with Cleveland, the Bulls, Detroit, Milwaukee and Indiana.

Gilbert doesn't know last season's pace rankings, but he's just as high on Amir Johnson as I am.

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That's an excerpt from my upcoming East preview

(the as-of-yet unwritten one)

I don't understand why the underground (as AOL can be, anyway) is so high on Amir Johnson and Jason Maxiell as this youthful injection, especially when you compare them to Thomas and Noah.

To me the Pistons are the same old arrogant asswipes they've been the past few years, and have learned nothing from their self-imposion in the playoffs. A series too late, obviously...

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 26, 2007 11:12 AM CDT reply actions

DEE-TROIT MEMRY-LOSS

You are absolutely right Matt. Sheed is a joke. He's guaranteeing a trip to the Finals? NOW its personal? What about last year, when he imploded and got himself ejected, followed by Rip getting himself ejected, and the whole Pistons team rolled over and quit. Real champs. I can't believe they didn't try to get rid of him.

Enjoy the recap: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270602005

That was a 12 point game with 7:43 to play and Sheed gets two techs and gets ejected in a must-win game. What an all-star. And now the Pistons fans are writing things like "I'm so glad Sheed is taking it personal this year." Unreal.

Time Warner Cable: The Place to Be, if you want to see no preseason games even after paying for League Pass.

by preverbal on Oct 26, 2007 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions

heh, like I said....

http://pistonsnationblog.com/2007/10/27/rasheed-conspiracy-theorist/

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 28, 2007 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions

But Amir Johnson

tore up the D-league. Where does that rank versus tearing up the summer league and tearing up the preseason?

by rexisourqb on Oct 26, 2007 1:41 PM CDT reply actions

My estimation

Somewhere between Summer League and the pick up games I play at Bally's.

The best player in the D League is Marcus Fizer, who is an undersized, bad rebounding SF/PF, and hasn't gotten a callup despite his dominance.

Get that out of Tyrus' House!!!!

by cubbybear on Oct 26, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Fizer

Yes, but Fizer was also dominating PF in college. Shows vast difference between even major college conference and NBA.

I hope Gray does prove to be productive NBA player but scoring in a few preseason games should not sway our opinion of him. He did have 4 yrs in college, and while he was a good player he obviously didn't show enough to get drafted in 1st round.

Someone on here argued there are 2nd round draft choices that have proved to be very good NBA players. Of course there has been, but that arguement is flawed as it doesn't address the point of the people arguing agaist starting Gray. As nobody is saying Gray can't become a useful player, they are saying he shouldn't start next week. How many 2nd round draft picks started the 1st week or even 1st month of season on teams that are contenders for NBA finals? that ? is more relevant

by NY Chicago Fan on Oct 26, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Draft position

An argument for starting on draft position is crazy. Draft position does not indicate the talent level of the player. There are plenty of players who slipped out of the first round and even the draft who have gone on to become useful, starters and/or all-stars. Micheal Redd comes to mind.

Thats not an argument to give Gray the starting job but making the argument because of draft position is not a good founded argument.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Oct 26, 2007 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions

Michael Redd is an extreme exception

and doesn't even apply. The difference between Redd in college and Redd in the NBA is that he went from a very average shooter to a great one. Athleticism wasn't a major problem. There's nothing that Gray can do from a skills perspective of similar impact. He's a pleasant surprise. But until he can stop Dan Gadzuric from schooling him, he's a low minutes backup with limited upside.

by Scotter on Oct 26, 2007 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions

I wasn't

debating whether Gray should start or play significant minutes. What I was merely saying is talent and ability to work within the Bulls system should determine that and not his draft position. You don't have to tell me there is a different in the talent level of Redd and Gray or Rodman and Gray. That is plenty obvious. Hell I am happy that Gray may be able to make a contribution to this team as opposed to playing in Europe.

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Oct 27, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions

missed my point kinda of

I was stating that I don't think there has been any 2nd round draftees that started on a top level team as rookies at beginning of season ... and there is reason for that. I never said Gray could never become useful

Of course there has been draft mistakes were 2nd round guys turned out to be good, but to say draft position means nothing is foolish too. Why would a 10th pick be better then 30th if draft position meant nothing

by NY Chicago Fan on Oct 28, 2007 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions