Pau is pretty good afterall

by joemoses on Jan 29, 2007 10:50 AM CST Comment 103 comments

I just watched a youtube compilation of Pau and he is unbelievable. This is one skilled player. In term so skill I think he is unmatched today. Even Garnett and Duncan don't match this guys post offense. He goes right, left, shoots, drives, baby hooks left and right, sky hooks, runs the break, scores on the offensive glass. All this and they didn't show one pass. Remember he averages something like 4 assist a game from the center position.

I have heard he doesn't have heart or play defense. I am curious if anyone knows how he performed for his Spanish national team. Did he play with heart, was he a complainer or a leader? Playing for Memphis would bring almost anyone down. It is worse than Garnett or Brand faced. Lets not let that guide our view of his attitude.

Finally, after thinking about it, I would trade his lowpost skills and passing ability for Gordon every day of the week.

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shouldn't you do more 'research'

like see a cool youtube mixtape of Duncan or Garnett too? ;-p

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 29, 2007 10:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

At least he watched

something other than the Bears game to come to this conclusion.

by bullshooter on Jan 29, 2007 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He didn't even give a link

but I found a wicked hardcore video of Darko and all his mad skills. Maybe we should trade for him.

"all the girls loved BJ." -sue369

by Colossus on Jan 29, 2007 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like it

MORE ACCENTS!

Deng, he's good!!!!!!!!!

by cubbybear on Jan 29, 2007 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess you didn't have time to read the

entire post. I was not basing my opinion of the trade on the youtube post. In fact I was asking others opinions on his heart and tenacity.

He does have great skills offensively. Do you deny that. Is that even in question when discussing Gasol. I think the discussion is whether he fits in well with the bulls personel and scheme. As for my final sentence regarding trading Gordon for Gasol, it was based upon their respective skill sets. In other words, they can score equally, they can pass equally and one is 7 feet tall and cannot be stopped as easily as Gordon.

by joemoses on Jan 29, 2007 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ben Gordon...

Can only be stopped by Bed Gordon. I don't think I've seen anyone 'shut him down.' He pretty much scores at will.

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 29, 2007 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Jason Kidd did a decent-enough job.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 29, 2007 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And it's not like Gasol can't be stopped.

The Bulls held him to 16 points on pathetic 4-14 shooting from the field.

I think Paxon is far too wise to trade Gordon unless we got someone absolutely spectacular in return.

I expect the Bulls to stand pat and continue to develop the franchise through the draft, free agency, and (most importantly) internal improvement.

I can't wait until the trade deadline passes.

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 29, 2007 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not a chance

The bulls will not trade Gordon.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OK, good.

He's a great player and I don't want to see him get traded.

In fact, I don't really want the Bulls to enter into any sort of trade arrangement that involves one of our core players, unless we get someone absolutely outstanding (a LeBron James caliber player) in return. I don't see any trades like that which are currently available.

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 29, 2007 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I look at it like this, Deng is expendable. Yes he's very good but we have Noch, TT that can play small forward. Trading Deng for a KG, Gasol isn't all that bad. A lineup of Hinrich, Gordon, Noch, Wallace, Gasol or Kg. You can't complain.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

There's a big difference

between Gasol and Garnett.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 29, 2007 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah

Your right about that

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

So are you saying you wouldn' t put Deng in a package for Gasol

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why is everyone so intent on breaking up a young

team that recently beat the Spurs, Mavs, Heat, Lakers, Cavs, and Pistons?

The worst offender is Sam Smith. He has (yet another) article about trades in today's paper.

In Sam's world, all occassions are a potential justification for a trade. When the Bulls aren't playing well, it means they are missing a piece...and should therefore trade. When the Bulls are on a winning streak, it means that the East is wide open and the Bulls have a chance to make the Finals...and should therefore trade. When we are playing .500 ball, the Bulls are mired in mediocrity...and should therefore trade. When Sam takes a particularly pungent number two, it signals a Bulls trade.

All paths lead to trades.

Sam, you know you can actually write about other aspects of the sport and the team.

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 29, 2007 11:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

It's not like the Bulls

have been a complete team.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 29, 2007 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

or that trading one of three core members

for an equal talent is a "breakup."

by bullshooter on Jan 29, 2007 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The piece we're missing

Is 2,000 hamburgers+Tyrus Thomas=Post Presence

Deng, he's good!!!!!!!!!

by cubbybear on Jan 29, 2007 12:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Ha

2,000 hamburgers+Tyrus Thomas=Post Presence
5,000 hamburgers+Tyrus Thomas=Mike Sweetney

by Petor on Jan 29, 2007 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I checked out your calculation...

... and you are off a little bit. The correct calculation should be:

2,000 hamburgers+Tyrus Thomas=Post Presence
5,000 cheeseburgers+Tyrus Thomas=Mike Sweetney

Sorry to correct you but after all the math I took getting my engineering degree I just can't stand a bad calculation:)

by boerwinkle on Jan 30, 2007 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Got to believe

I told you the bulls were looking to get Gasol a long time ago. Now that he is able to play the bulls are going after him. But you people never believe me. I told you about the J.R Smith for Eisley and 2 draft picks deal. Who the hell is going to come up with that one. You people didn't believe me and guess what it happen.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 1:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yeah, well

Keep those ears to the ground! (literally?)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 29, 2007 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gordon

The Bulls need to keep Gordon. They need the inside outside game. If they trade gordon, teams are just going to double him and when he kicks it out who are we going to have to shoot? Don't say Hinrich. That guy is on 1 game off the next 2.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Matty

Hey Matty I think you should trash that post like you do mine.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 1:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

you know what I think?

I don't 'trash' much, if anything only lightheartedly. Back when you were mashing the keyboard and insulting everyone...that's a different story.

You earned some BlogABull-brand street cred with the Eisley thing. So if you want to post whatever you 'hear', then go nuts. Just try and make it coherent and play nice.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 29, 2007 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And I'll repeat this:

At the heart of the matter I truly do not care about getting 'inside' info. It's really not what this place is supposed to be about.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 29, 2007 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Didn' t start it

I was insulted first. But you only kick me off but not anybody else. I don't think that was fair. But hey it's your site I'm just passing thru.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait

that's not true.. I got erased once before.. it's all good... Let it go.. it's a blog...
Sing with me.. "you are not alone"... ahhaha!

by Goostafer on Jan 29, 2007 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I got the scoop

I know what the bulls have offer to the grizz for Gasol.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 1:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Scoop

I will post the scoop soon. So stay logged on.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm glued to my chair...

The red and white

by Scott 9 on Jan 29, 2007 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Suspense

I love the suspense, and I liked when you were posting earlier this year; it was good reading.

by Jesse07 on Jan 29, 2007 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ya know

a girl can only take so many empty promises.

Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 29, 2007 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The suspense is killing me

chgobr

by chgobr on Jan 29, 2007 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Scoop

Allright guys here's what I know. The bulls have offered the grizz P.J Brown, Sweetney, T.Thomas, Noch and Second round pick for Gasol, fillers. Jerry West love's Noch. But from what I'm hearing Paxson is also talking to Mchale about Kg. Mchale loves the bulls youth and draft picks they got. So if the bulls make this deal for Gasol, Mchale will lose on Deng, draft picks and evrything else it would take to get KG. Thats a big risk Mchale is taking by letting the bulls make this deal for Gasol. Don't be surprised if we land Kg instead of Gasol. So there you have it. So start ripping me like you allways do. Have a good night, talk to you later.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 5:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sounds good.

Even if the Bulls have to add their 1st round pick (or rights to the Knicks pick if they can) to make the Gasol trade happen, I'm all for it. I'd be less excited about a Garnett trade involving Deng, especially considering Garnett's age and salary.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jan 29, 2007 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

trade examination

Gasol/fillers for PJ/Sweets/Noc/Tyrus/2ndRd

Bulls Starting linup looks great. Have to say that would be top contender in East right now. Long term you are basically adding Gasol for Noc who is playing out of position and has limited upside and Tyrus who may not pan out to ever be as good as Gasol. Plus is that Kirk and Gordon should get more open looks and Gasol post scoring should help offense when the runnig isn't working.
PG Kirk
SG Gordon
SF Deng
PF Gasol
C Wallace

Depending on the "fillers" the only issue with trade is that the Bulls bench becomes very small and limited. Although I think Krappy has shown he can play some, I'm most worried about not having any size off bench at C to battle and use some fouls behind Wallace.

Current Roster Backups
PG Duhon
SG Thabo/Griffin
SF Krappy/Griffin
PF Krappy/Allen
C Allen

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 29, 2007 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

should add

That I would do that trade. Might hate to see Tyrus turn into stud in few years but he could be next SSwift too. And also love fact that Bulls keep the 1st round 07 pick. Should be someone in 07 draft in 1st round that can contribute to roster. And who says they can't sign PJ or another veteran in 07 summer to short term deal to play behind Wallace.

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 29, 2007 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

From your post to God's ears

P.J Brown, Sweetney, T.Thomas, Noch and Second round pick for Gasol, fillers. I'll take that in a heart beat. I love the second round pick.

How do you get this information? Even a small clue would satisfy me.

We may be lucky with this trade. Boston appears out of the running and I don't believe there really is anyone out there with as much as the Bulls have to offer.

chgobr

by chgobr on Jan 29, 2007 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't get your hopes up

There isn't much validity to any of this.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 29, 2007 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He makes the shit up or

gets it from other message boards that he posts under his account there.

He also said we'd be trading for AI or Gooden last off season.

I'm still waiting on that....

"all the girls loved BJ." -sue369

by Colossus on Jan 29, 2007 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Too good to be true

It was exactly what I would want the Bulls to give up to get Gasol. Thanks for the reality check!

chgobr

by chgobr on Jan 29, 2007 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They have some power

You guys always listen to Action Jackson and Big Mouth Colossus. What the hell do they know. If my memory is correct I told you guys about the J.R Smith deal not the other way around.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So?

If I recall correctly, you mentioned the Bulls were interested in trading for Howard Eisley, not who was going to Denver, or why. Howard Eisley never put on a uniform, and your desire to be regarded as some sort of 'insider' is annoying. I'm surprised you don't start all your comments with "psssst..."

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 29, 2007 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah right

Your for of shit I hit that right on the head buddy. I new that deal was done before anybody. I stated everything in that trade. Look it up and shut up!

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I stand corrected

You did mention a more correct version of the J.R. Smith trade, in a diary titled, "Iverson or Eisley."

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 29, 2007 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm

Yeah you should so piss off fellow blogabuller.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Action

Jackson at his best.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nobody listens to me, dumbass

Matt hates me and calls me annoying all the time.

You told us last summer that we were about to trade for AI, Gooden, and Gasol.

You're nothing but some jr. high or high school kid probably. You didn't even know how to use propper capitilization nor other elementary school level grammar until I taught you!

"all the girls loved BJ." -sue369

by Colossus on Jan 29, 2007 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Huh

What does PROPPER mean Big Mouth?

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

mea culpa

And I hate to break it to you, but your sentence doesn't make any sense. What in the world does "mean big mouth" mean?

"all the girls loved BJ." -sue369

by Colossus on Jan 29, 2007 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Takes 2

Just because I said the bulls were looking at those 2 players doesn't mean the 2 sides can work out a trade. I tell you guys what the bulls are looking to give up, it's up to the other team to accept it. The bulls are looking to get Gasol, they made an offer and now it's up to Mr. West to agree or disagree. If I was him I wouldn't make this trade unless he got the #1 pick of this years draft.

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would do the trade even

if we gave up the first round pick.

chgobr

by chgobr on Jan 29, 2007 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Answer this

Colossus you always say I make up shit. Every bulls fan out when they make up a trade it always benefits the bulls all the time. What bulls fan will make up a trade J.R Smith for Eisley and 2nd round picks. Why would anybody make that up?

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

See Pax's comment above

"all the girls loved BJ." -sue369

by Colossus on Jan 29, 2007 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

chris

I hope you are right, and this is the deal and Memphis accepts. I still think that Stoudamire might be involved and our #1. I would love to see this message board if this trade went down.

by Jesse07 on Jan 30, 2007 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait, wait, wait. What are we offering for KG?

Deng and who else?

I suppose the Gasol trade you mentioned might be palatable, but I really don't want to trade away the core for an aging KG.

Like I said, in my perfect world, we avoid a trade altogether.

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 29, 2007 5:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, supposed to be under "Scoop."*

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 29, 2007 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm

Action Jackson , Colossus (Big Mouth) are you guys mad that I know a little more then you guys? Am I stepping on your toes?

by chris44 on Jan 29, 2007 7:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm

Chris do you alway have to prove to everybody that you are an idiot?

by boerwinkle on Jan 30, 2007 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

If you knew who I really work for you wouldn't be calling me a idiot.

by chris44 on Jan 30, 2007 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess your employer

would be the idiot. Hardy-Har-Har.

I like how chris44 inserted "really" in front of "work for" like we are all aware of his employment details, but he actually has a different job.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 30, 2007 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's see

You're shooting a whopping .250 right now (1-4) and I'm 1.000 (1-1). If the Gasol deal goes down the exact way you said above, you'll be .400 (2-5) and I'll still be at 1.000 (2-2).

"all the girls loved BJ." -sue369

by Colossus on Jan 31, 2007 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Is this a contest for biggest tool on the site?

I'm glad somebody's keeping score.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2007 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

when were you 1-1?

and where do i fit?

by milesgmsu on Jan 31, 2007 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't understand

all the name calling. Could you guys just ignore each other. If you want to rip on somebody, rip on the people who don't even watch the team play and then grace us with their opinions. This isn't slashdot, so you don't get anypoints for getting in the first or last post.

by bullshooter on Jan 29, 2007 7:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm torn

Part of me agrees with you; wouldn't it be nice not to have all the name-calling? But another part of me is drawn to it, like a gaper driving by a car wreck.

by jamestkirk on Jan 29, 2007 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 29, 2007 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I do keep score

Colossus is at -1200

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 29, 2007 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If this trade

IS on the table. It's not a bad trade for the Grizz.. They get a pick, (even though not the 1st rnd) cap relief, a good energy player that is also still very young in Noc... That team is not going anywhere anytime soon.. not in the west at least. And it hasn't worked woth Gasol either. Why wouldn't West go for his? Who knows. Even though he probly wants the 1st rounder (if trade prposal is legit) then good for him for pushing for more, and I consider it still worth it. If this trade is not on the table, then Thanks chris44 for giving us some nice blogging during a No Bulls game night! It's been interesting... and if it's true that Pax is talking to Kevin about KG... why not right? We know Pax does whats good for the team... He'll do good again.

by Goostafer on Jan 29, 2007 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting if - -

If the Bulls offered what chris44 reports I find that very interesting.

chgobr

by chgobr on Jan 29, 2007 8:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Gasol

has 34 points on 14-17, 6-6 FTs, 8 blocks, 8 reb, 1 assist and 4 TO

chgobr

by chgobr on Jan 29, 2007 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

He's

great.. I didn't wait 2months with him on my bench for nothing...

by Goostafer on Jan 29, 2007 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

pau's defense

Is he really a below average defender or is he jsut not a good rebounder for being that big. If he is blocking so many shots and probably altering more it must mean he has some defensive value Why does everyone say hes bad at defense?

by Sambossanova on Jan 29, 2007 11:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

This is what I've seen

They say it because he has trouble shuffling his feet and has a tendency to let people push him around a bit. Overall he's probably not that bad. He's a fairly athletic 7-footer who rebounds and blocks shots. Does he get in guys' grill and own the lane? No. But that's true of most NBA bigs. He's an accomplished low-post presence whose skills lean toward the offense side of the game.

Being that he plays for Memphis, I haven't seen a lot of Gasol, but that's my impression. I'd be curious to hear from those who've seen more of him. Am I missing something?

by jamestkirk on Jan 29, 2007 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Force Feed him Skiles

If gasol doesnt like to play defense or doesnt know how, well if (when) he is traded to the bulls, skiles will be sure to teach him...WIth or without his consent. I can see paxon and skiles doing a good cop bad cop number on gasol. Paxon charms him, makes him feel excited to be with the bulls, gives him the star treatment...and then skiles chews him up and spits him out. If gasol is traded to the bulls, and is able to survive the season with skiles and ben wallace, hes bound to learn how to play some dominating defense. then again, it never seemed to help tyson now did it? I like that trade scenerio set up by that ninja spy guy, it seems logical, only time will reveal if it was true or not. I rather give up noch because i always thought khrappy had the same playing style, except without the confidence and high energy. I feel bummed about losing thomas (aka the idiot) because i believe he could have become a great "bomb". Someone who could explode with blocks on defense, and dunks on offense. If we do trade him, i hope he never gains any more b-ball iq, if we keep him, i hope he becomes a b-ball genius. Man just a few more weeks till we know whats up with gasol. EXCITEMENT!!!!!!

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Jan 30, 2007 1:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Honestly,

I don't think his defense is that horrible. He is a big body and sometimes those guys are not premier defenders. However, how can you be a 'bad' defender and have 8 blocks in one game. Apparently, he is doing something. Zach Randolph may be considered a 'bad' defender (1 block in last 30 games, yikes), but someone who is getting blocks and challenging shots is good enough for me. Plus, he will benefit from playing with Ben Wallace.

Has anyone watched him play? Can anyone tell us why his defense is 'bad'?

Maybe Brian Urlacher should be our new PF...

by SouthSideIrish on Jan 30, 2007 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

remember...

he's playing for tony "no defense is the best offense" barone...

by milesgmsu on Jan 30, 2007 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

doing my part in the rumormongering

Memphis signs a D-Leaguer.

Maybe they need an extra body to compensate for an upcoming trade?? The Warriors signed a guy for that very reason right before their big deal.

(I'm only half-serious)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2007 9:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

or....

actually it's probably because Eddie Jones got bout out.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_5314919,00.html

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2007 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

can't wait for the

"If the Bulls pass on Eddie Jones like Chris Webber they've already lost the Finals" comments.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 30, 2007 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but...

"he's a guy whose name I know!"

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2007 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

even more telling

is that it's a ten day contract, so when they trade Gasol for half a dozen guys, they can dump this guy to make room...

by bullshooter on Jan 30, 2007 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fillers...

Since I'm not familiar with the Grizzlies that much, is there any realistic speculation as to who we'd get as 'fillers' in any Gasol trade? Obviously if we're giving up Sweets, PJ, Ty, and Noc...we'd probably want a decent backup guard of SF, right? Or another back up big to go with Allen? Any probables?

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 30, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it's all here:

http://www.blogabull.com/story/2007/1/22/225955/741#readmore

if you deal all those guys, in-house backups are Griffin (3) and Khryapa (4).

Plus whomever you get from the Griz, likely starting with Brian Cardinal (kindof like a paunchy Noc)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2007 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Matt

I know deep down you enjoy good trade talk.

by Jesse07 on Jan 30, 2007 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I do!

I like idle speculation more than trying to be mr. insider though.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2007 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

comments

let's give kevin every benefit of the doubt...that is a very nice trade, and i can't seen anyone refusing to do it. But we know that teams lowball and highball each other to start off negoitaitons and IF this is the case, this is clearly pax' lowball.

IF this is true, i see west demanding the knicks pick in addition to maybe us taking on a slightly bad salary (stoudamire or something now that jones is gone).

IF IF IF...i'm still torn on what to beleive with kevin...

by milesgmsu on Jan 30, 2007 11:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

The knick pick

Okay, can someone come in authoritatively on something? I have read in several places that we cannot trade the Knicks pick this year. Possibly because it involves an option to swap at year's end, possibly for some other arcane rules-related reason. Other times, I have read of that pick as being essential to a deal for Pau or Kevin (Garnett, not 44).

So is that pick tradeable or not? Does anyone know? Can someone email Sam Smith please?

B-jizzle my nizzle!

by preverbal on Jan 30, 2007 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh, wait

its Chris44 now. He used to be Kevin.

B-jizzle my nizzle!

by preverbal on Jan 30, 2007 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

consensus

From all reports they can trade it, but perhaps not protect it.

I don't see why they couldn't trade 'a future first' and then write in the language that if they swap with the knicks then that knicks pick is conveyed.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2007 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

matt's right

you can't trade the option to swap, but what happens is we swap pick on draft day, and then give it to the grizz...or we could 'sell' them the pick...or a multidue of other ways around it

by milesgmsu on Jan 30, 2007 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Another question

At that RealGM site, there seems to be a stipulation on that swapped pick with the Knicks...

2007 first round draft pick from New York
Chicago has the right to swap its own 2007 1st round pick with New York's own 2007 1st round pick, provided that New York is not obligated to trade such pick to Utah via Phoenix. If New York is obligated to convey its own 2007 1st round pick to Utah via Phoenix, then New York's obligations to covney a 1st round pick to Chicago are extinguished. [Chicago - New York, 10/4/2005]

Am I correct when I read that the Bulls may not be able to swap picks with the Knicks, or has that stipulation been bypassed or resolved?

Sweet Home Sports

by james@lifeinthecell on Jan 30, 2007 5:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

it's possible

but only if the Knicks have one of the 5 best records in the league would that pick go to Utah. BUT until that's official at the end of the season the Bulls don't technically 'own' the pick, which I'm guessing can be worked around by just saying 'future first' in a deal.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2007 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the magic number

for the pick tpo be officially offically ours is 25 (losses by knicks, wins by utah at this point)

magic number for us to have a better record than knicks is 30

by milesgmsu on Jan 30, 2007 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wal-Mart Manager Wise

So i work at wal-mart, and yesterday i was having a conversation with one of my managers about the bulls. I asked him about the gasol trade and he responded by telling it wasnt worth it. He said that he liked what the bulls have on the roster right now, and he wanted the bulls to get oden next year because it was the most "bull like" thing for them to do. The bulls have been constantly criticized by the fans as being unable to go anywhere, without at least some sort of superstar. And it always appeared to me that the only way the bulls would have all-stars and superstars is if, the core turned into those great players. Thus my manager said the best thing the bulls should do is play hard this season as is, and then in the draft get Oden. My manager made some nice obvious commments about what oden would immediately bring, by i asked the obvious, what if he doesnt. Afterall oden will be a rookie in the nba, and the nba level is much higher than the college level. SO what if oden is nothing more than another chandler (just with college experience)? My manager then responded with something that made my eyes wide. He said, "Imagine a Thomas Oden frontcourt." I did, and i got goosebumps. It is something that would take a few years to occur, but if oden plays close to the way he is expected to play in the nba, then the bulls have a nice chance all around. Imagine this in three years, assuming not much has changed

Starting line up-Kirk Hinrich/Thabo Sefolosha/Luol Deng/Tyrus Thomas/Oden

With thomas and oden in the front court, hinrich would have more options to utilize passing the ball around, having thomas and deng as slashers, oden ready to post up in the middle, deng and thabo as mid range shooter options, and hinrich as the main perimeter shooter, we would be a team that would be difficult to gaurd. Then there would be bench depth. Gordon would come off the bench, because he can light it up like no other, nocioni would be a good three ball shooter just in case our attacking the basket line up isnt working. Chris duhon could come in and do hinrichs job while hinrich rests up or keeps himself out of foul trouble, and wallace can come in for either thomas or oden for relief. Not too mention whoever we still have on our bench. I think we can get similar results from pau gasol, however we would be also giving up at least one of the players i mentioned in that three year line up. The bulls might clinch the eastern championship with gasol, but i think they can get very close without gasol. I rather look at the bulls future, which can be very bright.

I know the errors of these thoughts, the biggest being "what if we dont get oden" since everyone wants him anyway. Well i just threw the idea out, i know its alot of words, and i think i might have been rambling for the most part, but hopefully someone understood something, if not question away, ill try to set my thoughts straight.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Jan 31, 2007 11:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

"what if we dont get oden"

I assume by "we" you mean the Bulls, and no, the Bulls won't be in a position to draft Oden.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 31, 2007 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm

that's nice. But remember that Oden in a Bulls uni will NOT HAPPEN... if it does it will come only if the team that drafts him trades him to the Bulls after about 4yrs. Just like the Magic did with Shaq to the Lakers. There is no way we can get the #1 Pick this year if we "stay the course" with our players.

by Goostafer on Jan 31, 2007 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

eh?

it has nothing to do with 'our' players, it's the Knicks'.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2007 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh right...

brain fart.... I forgot we swap picks... But either way... it seems as the most balls will not go them either... right? or am I wrong again?

by Goostafer on Jan 31, 2007 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

at least your committed to the bulls

but errors galore. One; we would be in salary cap hell if your situation goes perfectly...even wiht wallace's contract coming off right about when we resign oden, it would be a nightmare.....good/great team...but nightmare money

the knicks are not going to finish with the worst record in the league. Granted, they probably won't make the playoffs, but we'll have a very low chance at getting him in the lottery (2-4% range)
It's all moot if we trade the pick (as we're apt to do in any big trade)
Oden hasn't done anything to show he's a beast against the best players in the world...he barely held his own against the scrubs MSU threw at him the other night...but i still love our scrubs

5.oden might choose to come back

I'd type more, but i'm getting carpal tunnel and i m pretty sure everyone already knew everything i'm saying and we're just too lazy/nice to post a reply

by milesgmsu on Jan 31, 2007 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It IS possible

just highly highly unlikely. The Knicks currently have the 11th worst record in the league. Assuming they don't win the Atlantic, which is looking more likely as the season progresses, they will indeed be in the lottery and we will have their pick.

According to Hollinger's historical analysis based on record on Insider, which I won't link to, based on the Knicks current record projection of 35-47, the Bulls would have between a .82% and 2.81% chance of winning the lottery.

While I haven't had much luck in finding the official percentages based on end-of-season position, this link (http://www.nba.com/sonics/news/Draft_Lottery_Basics-74207-51.html) shows that the team with the 11th worst record has a .9% chance of landing the #1 pick, and a 3.27% chance of a top 3 pick.

So, yes, not too realistic to plan on landing Oden this year, but there is a tiny little sliver of a chance.

B-jizzle my nizzle!

by preverbal on Jan 31, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs