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[From the Diaries. Well this is pretty random. I knew following the scrubs sent down to the D-League all season would pay off some day. Although...I don't remember Andriuskevicius doing much down there (7.0 ppg and 4.2 rpg in 18.9 mpg is what the bulls.com article says, I'll try and locate a full stat page). At least it was small-for-big (and youth). -Matt

UPDATE: Here are his 2006 Summer League stats. 16.5mpg, 6ppg, 3.3rpg. Also seems to foul a lot...he'll fit right in. ]

Bulls.com is reporting that Eddie Basden was traded to Cleveland for Lithuanian center Martynas Andriuskevicius.  Ok, that's the last time I type that guy's full name out.  Can we get a nickname please?  

Here's what Pax says about him:

"Martynas is a young big that we view as a player who needs development with his strength and skill, but has the potential to make it in this league," said Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations John Paxson. "We are always looking for size and skill, and feel he is a young player that we are willing to take a strong look at." I remember back  during the Euro Draft craze, Chad Ford menioned this guy as a potential Top 5 pick.

Eddie, we hardly knew ye...

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mizenkay:
a total project having spent some time in the D-league. but he's 7'2".

guess this means the Luke Schenscher era in Chicago is over. the Basden era was over the day he missed the early bus to a shootaround. that was the beginning of the end.

so that's one more name for johhny red kerr to struggle over. always good for a laugh. (it's Mar-teen-es An-droo-SKAV-ih-chis, JK)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 18, 2006 12:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nickname?
how about "That Guy That Sucks And Is Always On The Bench Or Down In The D-League"?

by Colossus on Aug 18, 2006 12:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No fair
he can't take Schencher's nickname like that.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 18, 2006 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schencher won't be a Bull
but if you'd like we could make it:

That Other Guy That Sucks And Is Always On The Bench Or Down In The D-League

by Colossus on Aug 18, 2006 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Luke
I realize this guy will be at the very end of the bench, but if it means him or Luke, I'd rather see Luke out there.  At least he has seen the floor in the playoffs, even scoring a basket as I recall.  Maybe they'll just give him a look in camp and send him to the D-League.

by bigballa10 on Aug 18, 2006 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't remind me
I don't know who to hate more after that playoff game: Skiles for putting Luke in, or Luke for not using his fouls.

(actually...since I have a man-crush on Skiles, the choice is easy)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 18, 2006 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awww,
no more Luke. I liked Luke too.
I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Aug 18, 2006 1:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Marty
works

by Colossus on Aug 18, 2006 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marty
Is one of those rare guys who shoots better from 3 point range than free throw range.

Before PaxJax points out how horribly small the sample size is at 4 Las Vegas Summer League games, let me say, I'm not being serious.

by tofferr on Aug 18, 2006 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's
quite a bit better than Marty's 6 GP 10 MP 0 FG 1 FGA 2006 line.

by Paxson Jackson on Aug 18, 2006 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another plus
With Songaila departing the Bulls were temporarily Lithuanian-less...good to see that balance is restored. I can't wait for another screaming Lithuanians night at the UC.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 18, 2006 1:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm leery
He must really be a stiff if Cleveland's trading him for Basden.

by jamestkirk on Aug 18, 2006 1:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The worst part
Not that Martynas "Shaken Not Stirred" Andriuskevicius matters, but he's shown he can't even do his job when on the floor.

2005-06 6 G 1 PF!

by Paxson Jackson on Aug 18, 2006 1:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If he sucks that bad
Luke might still have a spot at the end of the bench.  They might even make for an interesting training camp battle.

by bullshooter on Aug 18, 2006 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have one spot on the roster open
and according to the trib and chicagosports.com it might still be for luke

by milesgmsu on Aug 19, 2006 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
If the Cavs will cough up a 7'2" center for Eddie Basden, he's gotta have absolutely no skills at all.  How often do centers get traded for shooting guards?  Much less a D-League talent SG like Eddie?

So Marty at least has this going for him:  No expectations at all. If only Darko had had the comfort of sitting behind Ben Wallace and a couple of other talented guys in the rotation, yet at the same time, had no lofty expectations from the fans or the organization.

by Todd Lerner on Aug 18, 2006 1:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chad Ford
What 7-foot Euro hasn't he pegged to go top five? Pavel Podkolzine, anyone?

by Mike Aparicio on Aug 18, 2006 1:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!
Have you noticed how Ford has quietly stepped away from the whole Darko fiasco?  It's ultimately the GM's decision so I don't have much sympathy for the snookered Dumars, but I think it's fair to say Ford's commentary/rumor mill played a HUGE role in vaulting Milicic up the draft board.

by jamestkirk on Aug 18, 2006 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in defense of a piston
feel dirty just saying that.
  1. Darko looked good in Orlando. Granted everyone looked good in orlando during that stretch, but playing with turgolu, nelson, and howard, darko looked real real good. WIth the additon of pure shooting redick (who they already got in turgulu), along witht he continued development of howard, i exepct orlando to be a sleeper
  2. Dumars made the right call in drafting dargo; they won a title that year. You cannot say for sure that with any oter player in that draft they would have won a title
  3. let's be glad dumars drafted darko...anyone else and we may not have kirk

by milesgmsu on Aug 19, 2006 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
and I hate to give any Piston credit.

Dumars drafting Darko wasn't the problem. Larry Brown coaching him was. He's notorious for not liking rookies, especially high profile ones, and he set Darko back a ways in the eyes of everyone on that team.

Darko looked good, especially defensively, as soon as he moved on to Orlando, and he was a big part of that late season surge the Magic had.

Dumars is acquitted of his actions, and Larry Brown is a rich old shmuck who's just set in his ways.

I love Grant Park in June!! Been there six times!!!

by james@lifeinthecell on Aug 19, 2006 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right call?
you've got to be kidding with that.  clearly, no matter what, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, and even Kirk would have been "better" calls.  no way any of those would have prevented the Pistons from winning the championship that year.  none of the three have excessive egos or anything like that.

nevertheless, hindsight is 20-20, but it seems that you were looking through the prism of hindsight when you declared drafting Darko the "right call" -- no f-ing way

by Perch on Aug 19, 2006 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is the right call
The 03-04 pistons could nto have had a better year...they won the championship (and im ignoring records and such....only the end goal truly matters). Most likley had they drafted someone else in the draft they still would have won the championship, but at the same time, one cannot be sure. to run of a series of sports and regular cliches, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. If you asked any fan for a guaranteed championship season (plus 2 not too shabby seasons following it), they would jump on the opportunity. Furthermore, had they drafted wade, or hinrich, or bosh, or anyone else, we can't be sure thye would develop into the player they did. remember, the amazing class of 03 that has preformed so far (with the exception of Josh howard) all were plunged into starting roles on bad teams right away...trial by fire. Would wade be the dominant force he is now were he backing up the best backcourt in the game? Would he have developed his offensive proweress playing with larry brown? Who knows. Furthermore, we have not seen darko play. For all practical purposes, his career is 30 games. He may ahve adjusted to the NBA lifestyle, but surely not NBA games. His 30 games with the magic, in which he was a key reseve off the bench, have a pretty impressive per 40 stat line: 14.6 points; 7.8 Rebouunds; 2 assists, 4 BLOCKS! http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/milicda01.html Darko Milicic Statistics - Basketball-Reference.com* The true indicator of Darko's true talent will be after a full regular season with a team where he plays quality time. HOWEVER; where dumars did mess up is in the run up to wallace's Free Agency. There were rumblings all year that chicago (and we all knew we would) make a run at big ben. So Davidson, the owner of the pistons, being cheap and not wanting to pay the luxury tax, needed to free up salary for big ben, and dumped darko for practically nothing, and then didnt offer ben nearly enough. After next year, I may stand wrong, but right now we can't count darko as a draft bust...a draft bust for detroit yes...but not in general. * Sorry I don't know how to incorporate sources into text.

by milesgmsu on Aug 19, 2006 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

had Detroit drafted Bosh
The Pistons wouldn't have needed to re-sign Ben Wallace.

by Paxson Jackson on Aug 19, 2006 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

backward logic
This is a class case of correlation versus causation.  

Did the drafting of Darko CAUSE the Pistons to win the championship?  Who knows, but you can't prove it.  

Was Darko drafted AND did the Pistons win the title (correlation)?  Yes, but so what...Elden Campbell was on that team too.  Are you willing to say they might not have won it without Campbell?    

by jamestkirk on Aug 19, 2006 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's safe
to say Darko had no substantial impact on the 2003-04 championship Pistons (159 meaningless regular season minutes, 14 meaningless playoff minutes). This is a classic case of an undeserving lottery pick on a team that was bad at developing young talent.

by Paxson Jackson on Aug 19, 2006 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

by jamestkirk on Aug 19, 2006 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understand what i'm saying
I'm trying to make 2 points
  1. The pistons could not have had a better short term result from the 03 draft
  2. we dont know how good darko is yet
  3. dumars, to this point, has only screwed up in the entire indirect darko situation his handling of the ben wallace contract and dumping darko. we dont know if drafting darko was a mistake yet. for all we know, any rookie and larry brown woudl have been incompatible and instead we would be ahving this arguement abtout that huge bust "chris bosh", josh howard, or wade

by milesgmsu on Aug 19, 2006 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

typo
i meant 3

by milesgmsu on Aug 19, 2006 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand what you're saying
But it's all just speculation, there's no way to prove any of it.  We do know, however, that a number of players taken after Darko have started some pretty fantastic careers.  If Dumars could take a mulligan, he would.  You'd be crazy to think otherwise.

As to your third point, the one about Dumars only really screwing up the books and whether or not "drafting darko was a mistake," well, we know one thing for sure: drafting Darko WAS a mistake for Detroit.  He might become a decent player, but not for the Pistons.  They got absolutely nothing out of him.  Nothing.  They would have done almost as well not having the draft pick in the first place.  They essentially traded the #2 pick in a loaded draft for Orlando's future pick.  I don't see how that's a good deal.

by jamestkirk on Aug 19, 2006 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think we're in agreement now
paxson probably should have drafted someone else, that being said, all things being equal, he did win a championship.

furthermore, the jury is still out on darko...

so ends the debate

by milesgmsu on Aug 19, 2006 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I assume you meant Dumars
OK, fair enough.  

by jamestkirk on Aug 19, 2006 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bingo
sooooooooooooo sorry pax

by milesgmsu on Aug 19, 2006 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh?
So no one picked below #2 in the 2003 draft could have been more productive than Darko? Darko barely even played for the Pistons! Joe Dumars could have signed Pig Miller for an Old Country Buffet gift certificate instead of drafting Darko. The Pistons blew a shot at more than one championship win by drafting that guy. It's probably too early to tell how good he can be, but it's a safe bet Darko won't be fit to sniff Dwayne Wade's, Carmelo's, or Chris Bosh's jock in his entire career.

by Paxson Jackson on Aug 19, 2006 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pig Miller
That's funny.  Can you imagine having that nickname?

by jamestkirk on Aug 19, 2006 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, Brown screwed with Darko's head
And I also agree that Darko's future looks infinitely brighter now that he's in Orlando.  With that said, now I am going to nitpick with you guys a little bit.

Milesgmsu, you said "Dumars made the right call in drafting dargo; they won a title that year. You cannot say for sure that with any oter player in that draft they would have won a title."  Following that logic drafting Matt Bonner would have been "the right call" too, because as long as whoever they drafted stayed super-glued to the bench nothing would get screwed up.  I don't know if that's how you want to run a team.  

Kidd2323, how is "Dumars is acquitted of his actions...," he traded Darko and Arroyo for Kelvin Cato (huh?) and a first rounder?  Sure, the pick might turn into something nice, eventually, but it might turn out to be a big stinking pile of doo doo, especially if milesgmsu is right and the Magic are better next year.  It looks like Dumars gave up on Darko to me.  

Dumars could have drafted Melo, Bosh, D-Wade, Kaman or Hinrich.  I stand by what I said -- dumars got snookered.  

All right, I'm done being a jerk.

Hey, it sounds like the two of you have watched a fair amount of Darko in Magic uniform, I have a question:  Is his defense really that good?  I know he gets a lot of blocks, but swatting stuff from the weak side and banging down low are two different things.  I always thought he was more of a finesse player.  Comments?  Thoughts?        

by jamestkirk on Aug 19, 2006 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darko
In 30 games played with the Magic, besides the weak side blocks, 4.74 per/48, what I remember is that had very good per/48 rebounding numbers too, 9.4 total, and was a decent on the ball defender. He shot a very good .507 as well -- mostly layups and dunks.
Playing next to the second coming of the Mailman, Dwight Howard, makes it easy to be effective.  
I love Grant Park in June!! Been there six times!!!

by james@lifeinthecell on Aug 19, 2006 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the scouting report
It'll be interesting to see where his career goes from here.

by jamestkirk on Aug 19, 2006 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't know
teams bothered to trade D level players

hmm, maybe few fouls vs Shaq?  someone for Wallace and Brown to push around in practice?

by NY Chicago Fan on Aug 18, 2006 2:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember
Andriuskevicius had the best video highlight package in the history of the NBA draft.
  1. The tape itself appeared to have been rewound and taped over repeatedly and looked like convenience store surveillance footage.
  2. Andriuskevicius was at least six inches taller than anyone else on the floor.
  3. Andriuskevicius weighed, at most, 190 pounds.
Frankly, it looked unsafe.

by Hoopinion on Aug 18, 2006 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good deal
When you get a 20-year old center who's 7-2 for somebody as useless as Basden, it's a good deal automatically.

by Big D on Aug 18, 2006 4:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good deal???
more like GREAT deal!!!

;)

I was joking. Maybe the dreamers on Blog-a-Bull can somehow work this into a Garnett trade scenario?

by Paxson Jackson on Aug 18, 2006 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Khryapa-Andriuskevicius
I'm pinching myself, is this not the best tandem since Rodman-Haley?  does anyone not think that the end of the bench won't be a huge party?

by GWKD on Aug 18, 2006 5:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure that Wallace
will rub off on Marty.  Look out for Marty to become an All Star in 2010.

by Colossus on Aug 18, 2006 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Party? Hells yeah!
Russians are only slightly down from the Yeltsin days, to roughly 11 liters alcohol/year, or roughly 1.7 beers/day/person over 15.
A lot of alcohol

Not to be outdone, Lithuanians drink more than 12 liters of alcohol a year, the equivalent of 1.85 beers/day for everyone over 15!
That's even more.

For scale, Americans are just over 8 liters per year.  I think it's safe to say that Bulls parties will be crazy.  Hopefully somebody can keep an eye on Tyrus.

by cubbybear on Aug 18, 2006 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's crap
We need to lower our drinking age in order to out drink these guys.  If anything it is a matter of national pride.

by Colossus on Aug 18, 2006 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No shit
If the drinking age was lower I could have gone to rehab at a way younger age. Damn democratic process.

So which guy'll be the first to schill for Dmitri Vodka?

I love Grant Park in June!! Been there six times!!!

by james@lifeinthecell on Aug 19, 2006 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
I could have realized long ago that drinking a lot was wrong.  Now, I have to wait until I'm in my twenties and it'll just get in the way of important shit.

I'll spend the whopping $3.75 on the first thing of Dmitri.

by Colossus on Aug 19, 2006 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nickname nameplay attempts end badly
I badly failed with some nameplays, like:
Martynas AndDunkVicious,
Marty And Dunk With Us,
Party And-Drink-With-Us

I also failed when combining it with his end-of-the-bench mate Khryapa, for some combo, (like Starsky & Hutch or Turner and Hooch, or Chico and the Man).  

Krap-man AndDrinkwithus,
Krap-man Anddunkwithus
Krappy and Marty the Party,
But those don't really work either, especially because they don't really rhyme with phonetic name (Mar-teen-es An-droo-SKAV-ih-chis).

And I looked at those pictures connected to the links above, and he is sporting a bowl cut with some acne effects, just like some kid from a downstate small high school. Doesn't inspire anything.  My attempts in this vein were similarly lame:  the long lithuanian, the leaping lithuanian, 7 feet 2 inches of pure fury, the blonde bull, shorty, blondy, richie rich on growth hormone, hayseed, smoove Andy, etc.

It will probably be best to have something that doesn't involve his name at all, like Nocioni=Chapu.  For that, I'd have to see him play more.  

Anyway, if you can come up with a better nickname, I salute you.  For now, "Marty" seems adequate.

by GWKD on Aug 21, 2006 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thankfully for everyone,
my last comment of the day. "Dirty" Martynas

by Paxson Jackson on Aug 21, 2006 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good luck
seeing him play more, cuz unless you got season tix to the arkansas rimrockers, you wont.

by milesgmsu on Aug 22, 2006 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pax jax
answer a question for me....i cant quite figure you out....were u the kid that girls always said no to, or the one who got picked last for pickup games....we've already rehashed this...my point was that T-2 is the least ready for pro-ball of all but krappy on the team, and he'll be buried on the bench.....and i said "i hope not" or something to that extent about benching him.......

that was a little cold...i have a wicked tongue but i feel bad about it...sorry

by milesgmsu on Aug 27, 2006 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting anything for basden is a good deal
and getting a player with potential is even better.   Martynas will likely never be any good.  But, there type of little moves need to be made.  After this spring the Bulls may not have a lottery pick again for a decade.  So you start taking chances on developmental talent.  The Bulls have a year to see if he shows any promise.

by Scotter on Aug 19, 2006 11:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nickname
vicious....its the end of his last name

by milesgmsu on Aug 19, 2006 7:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i like kid vicious
furthermore, marty would be happy to know that we've spend like 56 posts talking about him. that's probably the most discussion he's ever garnerded.

by milesgmsu on Aug 22, 2006 5:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not bad
Kid Vicious and the Krap-man.

by GWKD on Aug 22, 2006 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although
The Krap-man and Dirty Martynas is pretty funny.

by preverbal on Aug 22, 2006 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right
"Dirty Martynas" is funnier.  
Also, just  calling the kid "dirty" is funny in itself, and matches well with his end-of-the-bench partner Krappy.  Moreover, it may be appropriate because Dirty may have some acne problems too.  Thus, garbage time (after the Bulls have a 40 point lead on the Blazers) is Krappy & Dirty time.  the sixth graders in the crowd will love that.

by GWKD on Aug 22, 2006 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll start a poll
for an 'official' nickname. 'Dirty Martynas' is damned good. But then again so is 'Kid Vicious', becuase it reminds me of 'Sid Vicious' the pro-wrestler (sadly it doesn't remind me of the Sex Pistols' guitarist)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 22, 2006 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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