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Only the Young(A.K.A. Post-draft roster reset )

Firstly, WSCR reported this afternoon that the Bulls have picked up the option on Malik Allen's contract. I'm guessing it's a little over $2m, based on last season's money. (I'd check Hoopshype but they just updated their salaries page to wipe out the 05/06 season). So after that, the Khryapa acquisition,  and the sure-to-sign-soon draftees, here's the roster status:

Under contract:
Hinrich/Duhon
Gordon/Sefolosha
Deng/Nocioni/Khryapa
Sweetney/Thomas(Ty2)
Chandler(Ty1)/Allen

(Can we set this straight right away? Tyson Chandler is Ty1, not Tyrus Thomas. I know 80% of Bulls fans hate Chandler, but he was here first)

Free Agents:
Songaila, Pargo, Piatkowski, Livingston, Schenscher, Harrington, Basden

 (I'm hoping Harrington had a team option for next season, but nobody seems to know for sure)

That's 11 spots. The Bulls may not necessarily carry the full 15, so there's not many spots out there for returning free agents. I think everyone on the free agent list will be gone, except for Pargo and perhaps (ugh) Schenscher. There may be an undrafted free agent who'd be an upgrade over Pargo, but he seems pretty entrenched with the team and the system, I doubt they'd want yet another rookie. At least two free agents will sign, and both likely will be big men. I'd like Songaila to be the secondary target (after signing one of the big names like Wilcox, Nene, AlHarrington, Przybilla, Mohammed, etc.), however I'm guessing he'll price himself out in this market.

It's a deep squad with a lot of options, especially at the swing spots, where you could easily go small or big depending who you put in at 2/3/4. For a tactician like Skiles it's a nice situation to be in.

But this team is very very young. Even considering the likely free agents to be signed, check out the existing roster's age and experience (and this is 11 guys!).

Age Yr
Thomas 20 1
Deng 21 3
Sefolosha 22 1
Gordon 23 3
Duhon 24 3
Khryapa 24 3
Sweetney 24 4
Chandler 24 6
Hinrich 25 4
Nocioni 26 3
Allen 28 6

You can't win with a team this young. If you think about it move-for-move, Sefolosha replaces Pike and Khryapa replaces Harrington, which would seem to be an upgrade in each case. But when you step back and look at the whole team you realize how young and inexperienced it still is.  It's been said here for a while, one of these days Paxson will have to decide which star veteran to target and consolidate some of these assets.

Luckily, there doesn't need to be a decision this summer. The only one on that list with a long-term deal is Chandler, and Hinrich will likely sign one before the season. And it's after their 3rd season that players are even eligible for extensions on their own team, and all these guys on their rookie contracts have to wait until playing 4 or 5 seasons before they are unrestricted free agents, so nothing needs to be done hastily.

And so Paxson waits. In the next year we'll know a lot more: If Chandler will ever be worth the money (I think he will). If Thomas is just a trading chip or a fast-rising star. If Gordon and Deng are long-term options and deserve near-max extensions. In the meantime, don't be surprised if Duhon, Sweetney or Khryapa are part of a deal to get a mid-level veteran talent.

The Bulls will be better this season simply by staying together, but they are not ready to contend. That was true before and after the draft, no matter who Paxson picked. Sefolosha should help the guard rotation, but I'm not expecting him or Thomas to help too much right away. It's lost in the pre-draft hype that these guys are, after all, rookies. The real difference between the Bulls roster Tuesday and today is Pax has even more assets and options to work with while he waits for the big strike. They may never have as much cap room as they do this offseason, but as long as they don't make a completely bogus signing they'll have a flexible roster and therefore plenty of trade options. There was talk of a Garnett trade centering around this season's draft picks, but Paxson denied any such conversation has taken place yet. And maybe the stars like Garnett are truly not available right now. But watch out for this season's trading deadline.

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Garnett is a stat stuffer
who would only help turning 06-07 into a losing season. Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, and the rest may be young, but there is a respectable amount of NCAA tourney and NBA playoff experience on the roster.

I think this blog could stand to have higher hopes than, "they are not ready to contend." This is a team that can get past the first round easily, and anything can happen after that.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jun 29, 2006 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

not true
this isn't like baseball where a hot team can win a few short series. In the NBA the best team always wins. Or at least...a very very good team who is playing the best always wins.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2006 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

And
this is a championship franchise. I'm fine with another 1st/2nd round finish if it means getting closer to a title.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 29, 2006 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

but...
The Bulls are in the Eastern conference with the window quickly closing on Detroit and Miami. The rest of the east is mediocre to awful. It can be argued that there aren't any dominant teams in the east.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jun 29, 2006 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Detroit
Anybody remember last season whenever they seemed to give a damn, Detroit absolutely pounded the Bulls? Even if Detroit fades a bit, they were way ahead of the Bulls last season.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 30, 2006 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is a dig at the White Sox isn't it?
Well let me just call you Jay Mariotti, then.

And that guy is Crazy to think that Garnett would not help the Bulls win.  Crazy with a capital 'C'.

by Rick S on Jun 30, 2006 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think so
(at least i hope so), it's just the truth.
Dalibor and Dragan!
Like Pizza? Me too.

by FAQ on Jul 1, 2006 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

not a dig
just using the 'my shit doesn't work in the playoffs' doctrine of Billy Beane.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2006 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Garnett sucks
KG made it past the first round of the playoffs once in his entire career, and Cassell and Sprewell were why. Garnett has racked up some really awesome stats, but has never been responsible for his team winning.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jul 1, 2006 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's had terrible teams
the one year he had good teammates they made it to the western conference finals. And don't forget that if the wolves were in the east all those years he likely would've had better success.

He's not just a stat-stuffer, he's a big-time defender and a competitor. And what's wrong with stuffing stats?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2006 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marbury, Rider, Szczerbiak, Billups...
and to a lesser extent Bobby Jackson, Terry Porter, and Terrell Brandon were all Garnett's teamates. KG couldn't win with any of these guys as complimentary players? Granted the T-Wolves play and played in a tough Western Conference, but the man has certainly had competent help.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jul 1, 2006 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

also...
Stats are meaningless without wins and finals appearances. KG would do nothing but drain the Bulls of young talent, and stunt the development of the players weren't traded for him.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jul 1, 2006 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Finals appearances
at any point did Garnett have a better team than the Lakers or Spurs? even the Nellie Mavericks. I dont' hold it against Garnett that he didn't somehow 'willed' his team to the finals.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 1, 2006 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't hold it against KG either...
because I know he is a stat stuffing bum who would have been better off as a second option to the plethora of better NBA players over the course of his career.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jul 1, 2006 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why stat stuffing in an insult.
Especially with Garnett.  It's not like he's throwing up 30 shots a game just to get a big number in the points column.  You're saying all those points, rebounds, assists and blocks he gets are somehow hurting his team?  Also, who are the "plethora of better NBA players" in the time Garnett has been in the league?  Using your criteria, obviously Duncan has had more success in his career, but who else?  All of Shaq's titles have come with Kobe or Wade on his team, Garnett never had a teammate of that caliber.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jul 2, 2006 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

KG is overrated
Garnett isn't hurting his team by racking up a bunch of stats, it's the fact that he hasn't helped his team win. Great stats like KG's are always impressive, but without any team success there isn't much weight to his numbers. He's great on a fantasy team, but has never improved a real team.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jul 2, 2006 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, I'm not...
Karl Malone, Stockton, Barkley - those guys never won a championship, but I am not going to say they sucked. Garnett has just never made the guys on his team better, and his almost total lack of success in the playoffs is proof.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jul 2, 2006 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scottie's Take
I think Scottie Pippen said it best when he claimed that Kevin Garnett was overrated.  He compared the numbers between KG and Chris Webber and they were remarkably similar.  However, KG has been in more all-star games and received a ton more credit in the press than Webber.  That does not mean that Pippen is saying KG is a bad player or "sucks".  Garnett is a great player.  He's just not the kind of player that can take over a game.  That said, when your second best player is Wally Czszerbiackscszcsz, thers' only so much your team is going to do in the playoffs.  The Bulls' home game vs. Minnesota was interesting.  Hinrich has probably his best game of the year, and we absolutely trounced them.  I kind of wondered if Garnett was thinking, "man, why can't my team play this hard?"
Deng 4 MVP, 2008!

by corey williams corey benjamin on Jul 3, 2006 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

wasn't that the game...
...where Hinrich abolutely went off.  They forced the T-wolves hand to where Szczerbzibiack and Kirk were guarding each other.  Szczczerbiaczk kept trying to back Kirk down, to no avail, and on the other end the Bulls went against convention and ran iso after iso, and each time Szzccerbiackz was left holding his jock.  It was classic.  

by jamestkirk on Jul 3, 2006 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watch
the Bulls not do crap in signing undrafted players and wait until the middle of the season to get another winner like Schenscher.

by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Jun 29, 2006 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

wait
detroit will fade in a couple years.  they seem to be getting rid of all their young players and only focused on their aging core.

miami has a difficult task ahead.  alonzo, shaq, and payton are all nearing the end of their careers.  white chocolate and toine will only become worse defenders (if that is possible) as they age.  wade is a stud, but they will need to make a lot of smart moves to keep the team competitive in a few years.

outside of the bulls, which teams can overtake them?  only cleveland comes to mind, and they have a lot of work to do.  besides larry hughes and z, they don't have any solid pieces to complement lebron.  and z is not getting any younger.  they seriously need another guard and could use an upgrade at the 4.

the bulls are in great shape.

by smegmatic on Jun 30, 2006 12:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Orlando seems to be getting better too
I love Grant Park in June!! Been there six times!!!

by james@lifeinthecell on Jun 30, 2006 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if they get nobody in FA
I won't be overly upset.  The team will improve even if the rookies don't contribute.  If we end up leaving the cap room for NEXT year's free agents, that's fine.  It's supposed to be a very strong group.

But I like Nene if we can get him cheap enough.

Deng 4 MVP, 2008!

by corey williams corey benjamin on Jun 30, 2006 1:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Cap Room
I don't think we'll have cap room next summer if we want to extend our own FAs.

by Mike Aparicio on Jun 30, 2006 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm cautiously but extremely optimistic
Because the Bulls gave the NBA Champion Heat a lot of problems.  If the Bulls were in the West, I wouldn't be very excited, but as others have said, the East could be theirs for the taking very soon, if not now.  Experience is nice, but young talent turns into experienced talent fairly quickly.  Pax just has some decisions to make when guys like Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, etc. need contract extensions and start to push the Bulls over the salary cap and into luxury tax land.  By that time, you'd better be ready to contend, because the ability to add pieces through free agency will evaporate.

by Rodmaniac on Jun 30, 2006 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

New basketball
Hopefully the new easier to grip ball will turn Chandler into a monster!  If not he can still contribute.  If we sign any of the top 3 (though not great) FA centers we are in the top 4 in the East.  Eastern conference finals possible this year.

by bashuck on Jun 30, 2006 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

new ball but small hands
i think tyson's hands would still be too small.

by vtown754 on Jun 30, 2006 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

easier to grip?
is it one of those rubber ones that turns into a ballon after using it for a month
I love Grant Park in June!! Been there six times!!!

by james@lifeinthecell on Jun 30, 2006 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sponge Ball
I've heard it's one of those "sponge balls" that are for indoor use only.  

The only way Tyson's palming this new ball is if it's that multi-colored canelope ball from the WNBA

In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Jun 30, 2006 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ty2
Tyrus Thomas also gets to be Ty2 because his initials are TT.  Like T-squared.  You can't call Tyson Chandler T-squared because he doesn't even have another T in his name.

by nelsoc on Jun 30, 2006 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

You could also call Tyson
TC, like the black guy that flew the helicopter in Magnum P.I.  I suppose you could also call him Tyson Chicken, since he's lean & scrawny, but that's kinda derogatory and not a very positive or encouraging nickname. :)

by Rodmaniac on Jun 30, 2006 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

how about
T1 = Tyson Chandler

T2 = Tyrus Thomas

T2 makes sense on multiple levels!

by CRG on Jun 30, 2006 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

nickname business
Somebody email Hawk Harrelson to settle this.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jun 30, 2006 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can
put-it-on-the-boaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard-hee-YES!

by Rodmaniac on Jun 30, 2006 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last season the Bulls...
held open their last roster spot hoping AD (or anyone worthwhile for that matter) would be coming back. I'm betting that doesn't happen this year. I'm betting the Bulls carry as many bigs as they can including the Aussie.
I love Grant Park in June!! Been there six times!!!

by james@lifeinthecell on Jun 30, 2006 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

TT and True Height
82games.com did an analysis of the "true height" of all the draft prospects.  Guess who ends up on top:

http://www.82games.com/trueheight.htm

That's right:  Saer Sene!  But among the good prospects...

Deng 4 MVP, 2008!

by corey williams corey benjamin on Jun 30, 2006 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice
Sene is also 4 inches taller than Thomas. If you look at overall differential, Thomas is on top. He's still skinny though. ;)

by Mike Aparicio on Jun 30, 2006 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Skinny
I actually left a note for the guy who wrote that article asking if he considered width of shoulders in his calculations.  Someone with a narrow frame can turn more of that wingspan upward than someone with wider shoulders.  So maybe TT gets another half-inch in height.  I'm guessing they didn't factor that in, as I doubt that data's available.

Of course, at this point I'm overthinking the whole thing because having a thicker frame certainly helps more than it hurts.

Deng 4 MVP, 2008!

by corey williams corey benjamin on Jun 30, 2006 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

sefolasha
does anyone know his wingpan and leaping abilities

by Sambossanova on Jun 30, 2006 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

draftexpress had some of these things
His standing reach is 8-11½, which is crazy long for a wing player.  I think that's something like 3 inches more than Sheldon Williams.  However, I don't think they had any info regarding his leaping ability, but everyone seems to say he's a good athlete.  

by jamestkirk on Jul 1, 2006 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

video clip
check out the video clip of sefolosha dunking that I posted not too long ago.

by CRG on Jul 1, 2006 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt...Don't Count Out...
the Rookies just yet! You don't think they will contribute right away, but if I recall there are 3 guys on the team right now that played a significant part in getting the Bulls to the playoffs. I agree it will take 1 veteran player to make us a contender (and it could just be BIG BEN Wallace).

by Matador on Jun 30, 2006 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Kiki Vandeweghe
Poor Kiki.  Just a few years ago, the Nuggets appeared perfectly positioned, then they took on some bad contracts, and now...

Does anyone think they'll be contending soon?

With so much talent ripening on the vine, why waste a bunch of money now?

by jamestkirk on Jul 1, 2006 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Jackie Butler
some people on here have mentioned him.  he does look like a good value pickup.  we should sign him for a couple years and could probably get him for under a mil / year.

by CRG on Jul 2, 2006 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

re-sign songaila
The Bulls were better with Darius on the floor.
His defense was pretty good, he has excellent footwork, great post moves, and shoots over 50 % from 12 ft. and in. His FT % is over 80%.  He's the best passer and knows what to do to run the coach's play.  He was going to opt out this year because Sacramento had problems last year and couldn't make timely decisions; Chicago got a whale of a bargain.
They should try to sign him, he'll make all the players better.  Now, if they could find a real PG the team would be ready to challenge Cleveland for the Eastern Conference for the next 6 years.

by TDoug on Jul 2, 2006 6:41 PM CDT reply actions  

huh?
Darius doesn't have post moves, the guy shoots from the top of the key. These Kings fans are almost as bad as the Raptors fans extolling the virtues of Charlie Villanueva.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jul 2, 2006 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Allen's 28?
I'm shocked.  He looks at least 35!

by CRG on Jul 3, 2006 12:52 AM CDT reply actions  

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