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What about Morrison?

Am I the only person here who would LOVE to see Morrison in a Bulls uniform??

Forget about using him as a SG, it wouldnt work... and I know we have absolutly ZZEERROO need for a pure SF, but with all the uncertainty in this draft, it almost seems tempting to draft Morrison, who just seems like the best player in this draft.

His competativeness and love of the game is second to none, and i think he's the real deal. With all the 'upside' and 'potential' and 'possible busts'....Morrison seems to me like the one to draft if 'need' isnt considered.

If I were Pax, id ALMOST be thinking about taking Morrison, using deng or Noc as bait, and adressing the 'needs' through FA and Trade.

Morrison as a Bull, how exciting would that be!?

Am I alone......?

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I wrote this diary about Adam Morrison earlier this year after watching one of his games.

But the Bulls need size so...

I love Grant Park in June!! Been there six times!!!

by james@lifeinthecell on Jun 22, 2006 8:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Doubt it, but...
After watching him play this year at Gonzaga and seeing his interview outside the Berto Center, I am starting to like Morrison. He already is an emotional player and then he has chip on his shoulder since people say he's unathletic. If we didn't have Noc or Deng, and one of our need positions were already filled, I'd definitely like to take Morrison. That said, I don't think the Bulls will actually draft him. He plays at the last position they need to help. Seriously, I don't care who the Bulls draft. I like Aldridge the most, then Roy, then Thomas.

by RingItUp26 on Jun 22, 2006 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why can't he play the 2 spot?
That is the most over hyped theory that Deng or Morrison are too ''slow'' to Guard the other teams 2. If you play team defense you can guard anyone.

Hinrich
Morrison
Deng
Nocioni
Prybilla/Chandler

Not bad...

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 22, 2006 10:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Stop the Deng at number 2 talk
Matt, I and many people have been making points about this countless amount of times in many threads.  Deng is getting bigger and stronger.  He is not QUICK enough to guard most twos in the NBA, just because he is tall doesn't mean he can keep up with tall guards like Mcgrady, and Kobe etc...

Deng could become a 4 since he is very young and grew one inch this year and should be trying to bulk up.  I have also seen flashes of a post game in Deng , which is very encouraging.

Morrison...im not gonna talk about morrison playing the two spot.  

The over hyped theory and team defense theory? It is  good to have people who can keep up with the person they are playing man to man.  Since I am in NY, i dont get to watch as many bulls game as I'd like, but I didn't seem them play much zone defense.  

by Sambossanova on Jun 22, 2006 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe
it's just me, but I'd rather have Redick than Morrison.

by Colossus on Jun 22, 2006 10:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not a theory...
     It has been proven thru out the sporting world, more times than not, that size is the best way to match size, and weight is the best way to match weight.  Yes, in the constructs of team defense you should be able to guard anyone, but everytime you rotate to help a defender, someone gets left open.  I like Morrison too, but if you watched him alone on defense, the poor guy gets beat like a drum.  It seems like he overcommits(most of the time) on who he's guarding, reguardless of who he is defending (whether it's the 2,3,4 position), and doesn't have enough recovery speed to save himself.  It caused a lot breakdowns in gonzaga's defense (albeit not him alone).  It's hard for any athlete who has played a position in any sport, and say we need you to play a different position because we need to fill a hole on our team.  Joejoe we may not be able to agree on Morrison & Deng not being able to play the 2 defensively, but I don't think anyone can deny that Ty1 played pretty crappy most of the year as a 5, and Kirk play much better when he went back to the PG position.
     In another example, why else would boxing and wrestling be so careful to match opponents on weight, and incidently size often falls in to place based on weight.  Or what about a 6'3" 250 pound line backer having to line up against a 6'1" 180 pound wide reciever running routes.  Who's gonna win that match up more times than not.  As has been said before on this page, if you are going to draft a SF, you are going to have to think about trading Noce or Deng, and it should only be done if Pax thinks it is a significant upgrade.  Besides we already have a great shooter in Gordon who can't defend the two position.

by kaboom on Jun 22, 2006 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

size and weight
I like your second paragraph.  It's true, size and weight are factors, and oftentimes overwhelming ones, in determining who wins or loses a contest.  But just because two guys have the same measurements it doesn't mean that one isn't better than the other.  I'm 6 ft/180, but I'd be a horrible match-up with T.J. Ford.  (Mike at the Y...well, now that's another matter.)  And how was it that Mike Tyson terrorized the heavyweight division for years yet almost always gave away inches and pound?  Size and weight matter, but it's not the only thing.  

None of this bodes well for Morrison, however, since he's the one who'll be on the wrong side of the equation.  He's slower and weaker than almost everyone else at his position, which is the 3.  He's not a 2-guard.  I will say this though, the dude's seriously crafty, and that'll probably take him a long way.  

by jamestkirk on Jun 22, 2006 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our defense..
Kaboom, I see where you're coming from regarding the size match-up debate, but remember that Skiles focuses on team-defense which means that individual perimeter defense can fall back and rely on the interior help.  

Granted, Chandler didn't defend the paint as well as the year before but if the Bulls take Morrison at #2 they can still afford to take Sene at #16 if he's still available.  That way adding another proven sharp-shooter as Morrison will only HELP Gordon stretch the defense and allow him to penetrate and kick.

It's hard not to visualize it, but just try it.  Sene and Chandler guarding the post for any clean-up misses, Morrison and Gordon sagging to the wings and Hinrich penetrating to the whole.  Now the defense will be caught in a gamble where they must choose either commit to the paint and defend against Hinrich's lay-up or stick closely to the perimeter to defend any kick-out to Morrison and Gordon.

Additionally, wouldn't it help if at the end of the game with less than 5 seconds on the game clock, you at least have two major scoring options on an in-bounds play?  The defense won't know whether Gordon or Morrison will take the shot.  

I'm a huge defensive advocate but in some sense we do need more offense.

by Apple of Truth on Jun 22, 2006 11:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

awesome
Yes Yes Yes

It a great vision

by rquinsee on Jun 22, 2006 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
Ahhh, indeed the thoughts of a wise man.  I can see that name that precedes you, truely does your reputation justice.  I too think that morrison could work in that reguard; however, I think that eventually Deng or Noce would have to go, either due to not being able to resign both(under the cap when we get to that point), or due to a lack of minutes at the three spot.  That being said, it wasn't a lack of offense that did us in against the heat, but a breakdown in dribble penetration (from Wade) and kick out threes.  As you eluded to before, adding someone like Sean helps to control the paint, and stops some of the inevitable dribble and kick penetration.  My only question is how is Morrison going stop anyone when he is constantly retaping his "broken ankles"?  The way I see it, with Morrison and Gordon on the floor, you do gain alot of points, but you do also give up a lot of points on the defensive end due to our vulnerability.  In the end, hopefully you've got more points than the other guy.  At least that's the way a number of teams in the western conference played for years and it didn't work for them.  I think the only reason Dallas even got to the finals this year is because they improved there defense inside and out...and of course a better coach.

by kaboom on Jun 22, 2006 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

More...
Without a doubt, Dallas' improved defense gave them that ability to even go to the finals.  Then again the same can be said about Dallas' depth with Stackhouse coming off the bench.  

You know, the funny thing I just realized is that most defenders guarding Kobe, Lebron and Wade unintentionally foul them because off a simple pump-fake landing the unbalanced defender to make contact with them.  Think about this.  Adam Morrison's unathleticism might actually work in his favor GROUNDING him to the floor and not falling for that initial pump fake and one scenario.  

I'm not worried about Morrison's defensive liabilities because we all know he's a hard worker with heart which means he'll work to improve every facet of his game INCLUDING defense.  Besides Hinrich has done a tremendous job defending the opponent's best offensive player because again the NBA isn't necessarily built around size as much as it is around speed and quickness, which is why I thought we had a legit future with Eddy Curry because not only of his dominant physical size but his agility and quickness AS a big man.

In the end always keep in mind TALENT over SIZE/POTENTIAL because we've already reached that milestone of getting to the playoffs.  If Morrison is gone, it's a toss-up between Gay and Roy.  

Also, look at the Pistons this year.  Besides Flip the Script Saunders' lack of confidence as a head coach, the Pistons shot themselves in the foot because they couldn't make clutch shots and neither could the Mavs.  

Avery Johnson should've let Howard step out to the perimeter down the stretch of the game and force Wade to either give the ball up or to force another turnover.  Common pitfall of talented NBA head coaches in the NBA is all about SITUATION.  Hack-a-shack is only effective if done early and right in order to build a 5 point lead/advantage.  

Anyway, the point is, even if we select Morrison we could still have Hinrich defend the other team's best player such as Wade, Lebron and Kobe.  Not only will that work but it'll let Hinrich focus on two major things as a point guard: (1) distributing the ball (2) commanding the defense. You see time and time again Hinrich burns himself out from expending too much energy on the defensive end.  

For the point about Deng and Nocioni, we are fortunate to have these two guys because they can fill gaps where needed.  I wouldn't slide Deng over to the 2 but I think Nocioni and Deng MUST be in the line-up together at the same time which is probably best if they come off the bench.

Here's a projected line-up.

Starting 5

C - Sene  
PF - Chandler
SF - Morrison
SG - Gordon
PG - Hinrich

Bench

C - Elden Campbell? (we need a vet C)
PF - Songaila; AL Harrington?
SF - Deng
SG - Nocioni
PG - Duhon

Cut: Pike, Pargo
Release or trade: Allen, Harrington

DO NOT pick up: Ben Wallace

by Apple of Truth on Jun 22, 2006 1:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sene
Sene has played only a few years of basketball.  He is not going to be a starter.  He is probably a 10-12th man on any team.  He doesn't even have an offensive game.  Thus you would be in the same position as if you had signed Wallace-- a starting 4 and 5 who have no clue how to play offense, which would be a disaster.  Sene might be a projected starter in 2-4 years, which would do nothing to help develop the rest of our players.

Draft Express posted another great article today talking about historical trends in predicting player outcome.  Big men were the riskiest of course, but drafting players in the 2nd quartile onwards was even riskier.  So drafting a big man like Sene with the 16th is an even more unnecessary gamble when you can grab a wing/guard who has defensive skills.

Morrison may not be as athletic as most players but he can still jump.  And jumping is only 1/2 of the problem when you bite on a pump-fake.  You also freeze up or change your defensive posture.  The big problem is that he probably lacks lateral quickness and better players would easily dribble around him.  As you said in your second paragraph the NBA is more built around speed and quickness.

The fall of Dallas and Detroit was that both teams died by their jumpshot.  Mavs and Pistons both were unable to run their offenses because of pressure and Miami's D.  Sure, alot of it was choking and the shots rimming out.  But when that happens, you go into the post for higher percentage shots and putbacks.  This also draws defenders in so that you can kick it out for more open jumpshots.  It re-spaces the floor and the defenders along with it.  

Game 6 in the Finals was won by the Heat because Wade attacked the rim and Shaq / Mourning filled up the paint.  Riley figured out a way for Wade to get the ball earlier so he could run away from the double and triple teams.  Johnson never figured out a new way to stop him, though he should have tried double and triple teams earlier to get the ball out of Wade's hands.  The defenders were also confused about what type of physiciality they could get away with when guarding Wade.  Mavs could have still won the game if they were serious about playing in the paint/post, which they weren't.  They jacked up 3s with under 3 minutes left and they lost.

Deng is arguably our player with the most upside, solid on both offense and defense, only 20 years old, a legit starter and you want to send him to the bench?  That's not going to happen.

I understand how Morrison's competitiveness is appealing but he has too many flaws to where we would draft him so high and at our strongest position.

by CRG on Jun 22, 2006 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

morrison vs. noc or deng
When you have two solid small forwards, one of whom has a ton of potential and one which is probably the best sixth man in the league along with gordon (as you can tell the bulls have too many 6th men), you aren't going to give the starting job to morrison.  You don't just put rookies out there over established players that are more than solid.  And Sene would never start...This is espescially true about a team that is a playoff contenders, you don't want to rely on rookies as your starters.

by Sambossanova on Jun 22, 2006 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I take that back
All very good points.  

From the videos i've seen, I was "blown away" as the Bulls claim by Sene's sharp learning curve.  You don't necessarily teach agility which is something he already possesses.  I agree with CRG's overall take on risk-assessment regarding picking big men so high.  The thing is it takes time to develop big men with potential which is why i'm teetering on the edge of whether or not the Bulls should pick Sene, Thabo or a proven big guard at #16.  

Foreign-born international players seem to have better fundamentals since they're taught to play the right way early on in their careers.  Why do you think Noc can read the defense so easily and cause charges?  Same thing can be said for Luol Deng.  Correct me if i'm wrong but Deng was born and raised up overseas with the guidance of Manute Bol.  Dirk? Foreign.  See a trend.

I'm just pointing out that foreign-born/international players tend to have sharper learning curves unlike our system here in the states which is systematic of the college ranks.  

Now here's the question.  Would you draft a big such as James Augustine at #16 or take Sene?  

Do some quick comparisons/analysis and then re-post.  The few solid big men that've made an impact in the NBA the last few years are Okafor and Boozer.  Nothing stellar.  What about Kristic from the Nets? Illgauskus?  Foreign big men.  Effective, yes?

by Apple of Truth on Jun 22, 2006 6:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I might be in the minority
here but I'm not moved much by Morrison.

by sue369 on Jun 22, 2006 7:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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