Game Thread #30: Bulls vs. Miami Heat
Ah the memories...remember that 42-point blowout victory against this very same Miami Heat team on opening night?
Well, apparently the Heat do as well:
"Obviously, if you've got any pride, as a team, if you need motivation, losing by 42 points opening night is motivation," forward Antoine Walker said. "We're much better now than we were on opening night."
And much different than on opening night.
Walker, center Shaquille O'Neal and guard Gary Payton are out of the starting lineup. Forward Dorell Wright, center Alonzo Mourning and guard Jason Williams are in.
The O'Neal-Mourning shift is due to the knee surgery that will have O'Neal out until next month. The Payton-Williams switch evolved as Williams recovered from offseason knee surgery. And the Walker-Wright change was made in response to Walker's struggles and Wright's emergence.
In addition, on opening night, center Michael Doleac was on the inactive list, and guard Jason Kapono had yet to emerge as instant offense off the bench.
While true stability won't arrive until O'Neal returns, forward James Posey can't envision anything close to that first loss to Chicago.
"You think about that. You have to give 'em credit," he said. "But once we prepare for 'em, we should do a better job this time."
This Heat team is better. Roles have been determined. In many ways, a victory at the United Center would establish a new starting point, put the Heat back on a level playing field.
Man, the Heat are an unlikeable bunch. Shaq is a lazy turd, Walker is a loudmouth chucker, Payton is just a loudmouth (and washed up), Posey body-checked Hinrich and broke Ty Thomas' nose, Mourning's stolen money from two teams (and likely stole that kidney). Even NBA golden boy and Chicago native Dwyane Wade deserves some crap for his love-affair with the officials.
If you want to feel confident about tonight though, go back to our old friend point differential. Today, John Hollinger exposed how fortunate the Heat have been in the win column this season, given their points scored and against thus far:
As I mentioned, none of this matters looking back -- the league won't be revising the standings based on my column. Where it does matter, however, is looking forward.
A lot of people think the Heat are going to be fine because they're back near .500 and shellacked the Lakers on national TV on Christmas Day. But the fact is they'll probably need to play much, much better in the next 27 games just to go 13-14 again, let alone improve on it -- and they'll be doing it against a much tougher schedule than their slate in the season's opening third.
Hey, does that mean facing the Bulls on the road is part of that tough schedule?!?! All right!
Blogging with the Enemy: Crazy from the Heat
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I don't care if we beat them by 42 or by 4 as long as we kick their asses.
GO BULLS!!!
Here's hopin'
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Dec 27, 2006 6:49 PM CST reply actions
(and likely stole that kidney)?
You're right, this is one of the most unlikeable teams EVER assembled, in any sport. It appears the Heat have stepped in where my beloved Trail Blazers have left off.
Am I the only one hoping that someone gets a shot at Posey tonight? I don't care if it's dirty - the man needs to experience some pain.
by ChrisRobin on Dec 27, 2006 6:57 PM CST reply actions
Wow
Damn
Thomas is doing what he should
Hinrich will no longer have to do what he does, since wade is out...
speaking of which, i think that was miamis plan, hey wade if the bulls start rocking us again, fake an injury, ill take u out of the rest of the game, so when they win we can say, oh shaq is not here, wade is not here, thats why we didnt win...nice excuse.....bastards....
Hopefully with Wade hurt
He threw Deng
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Dec 27, 2006 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
that sucks
by NY Chicago Fan on Dec 27, 2006 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
It was pretty bad,
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Dec 27, 2006 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
I thought
Skiles
lol
interesting to compare
"just like wade always travels, and always jumps into contact, and shaq travels and commits offensive fouls down low, and POSEY FUCKING ATTACKS THE OTHER TEAM" but with more wit and subtetly than my 10:30 am riddled brain can come up with
And
Riley's comment on Posey
by corey williams corey benjamin on Dec 28, 2006 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Correction?
by corey williams corey benjamin on Dec 28, 2006 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Mourning (one day we will) just
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Dec 27, 2006 9:40 PM CST reply actions
No
Duhon
Deng
Noc
Wallace
by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Dec 27, 2006 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
Not a bad night for Gordon
by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Dec 27, 2006 10:07 PM CST reply actions
big FTs by Tyrus
nice win by Bulls, need to continue to feast on East and try and get home court in round 1
by NY Chicago Fan on Dec 27, 2006 10:07 PM CST reply actions
LMAO
I think Posey needs to go to the Ice Bar
I know
coincidentally
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2006 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Deng
by Mike Aparicio on Dec 27, 2006 10:49 PM CST reply actions
Just saw interviews
Oh and get this. Riley is blaming Kirk for Wades injured wrist. He said Kirk grabbed it and he is always doing things like that. The reporters played for Kirk what Riley said and he just laughed and said Riley needs to worry about his own players. Ben Gordon agreed with Kirk.
Here is
I can't even express...
James Posey is a fucking bitch
Strict-Anti Fighting Policy bad idea?
All that being said, posey resides somewhere between Marge Schott and Sadaam Hussein in my mind
Fox Sports should hire the Schwab
Gordon became the first Bulls player to score 40 points in a game since Michael Jordan also had 40 on April 5, 1998, at Houston.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jamal_crawford/bio.html
2003-04 (Bulls): Had 28 20+ scoring games (Bulls 14-14), eight 30+ games and two 40+ games (including career-high 50 points on April 11, 2004 at Toronto). . .
I knew I wasn't crazy. Or are the Fox Sports people going for the exact 40?
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Dec 27, 2006 11:48 PM CST reply actions
i
by kaptainkirk23 on Dec 28, 2006 1:24 AM CST up reply actions
haha
"Gordon took a time capsule back to his rookie season, supplying steely fourth-quarter heroics with 18 of his career-high 40 points and two of his five assists. It's the first 40-point game for a Bull since Elton Brand scored 44 against Washington on April 13, 2000."
Another example proving the first one wrong, yet also, apparently, incorrect.
Random Thoughts
Posey: I am really, really pissed off right now. Given his history against the Bulls, the league needs to suspend him a minimum of five games.
There's a Michigan blog I read often that, during last year's playoffs, dubbed Alonzo Mourning "Our greatest asshole." (http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/heat-pistons-liveblog_114913015489057256.html - sorry I have no idea how to make this look neat). Zo bitches like Kobe between every play. My main point on him is that it seems to me that every single screen he sets is an offensive foul. Two hands to the chest happened frequently, and he stickes his legs out to trip players. But since he gets away with it, maybe I shouldn't be blaming him.
I finally figured out exactly why the announcers bother me. Tom Dore acts like everyone listening knows nothing about basketball. Does he really think there are casual fans tuning in? I have to think that 80% of people watching are big Bulls fans who know the game. It makes it hard on Stacey King to put real insights out there because Dore asks him the most basic of questions all game long.
But what's far worse than the announcing is the horrendous use of alternate camera angles. Comcast needs to figure this out. I'm sick of seeing a referee's butt and only the vocal stylings of Tom Dore to guide me as to what's actually happening on the floor. There's a reason people always use the one, main camera angle - because it's far and away the best. Also, the frequenly film, say, Kevin McHale while the ball's in play. We know what Frankenberry looks like, we don't need a reminder.
OK, so I'm rambling, clearly angry and I haven't said one real word about the Bulls. I'm not really sure what happened out there tonight. I think bascially Jason Williams just caught fire and kept Miami in the game. Once he hit a couple, they should have guarded him more tightly. They did down the stretch and that's why we won. So good. Nice to see more minutes for Tyrus as well - hopefull those FTs will give him a big boost.
Oh, and James Posey is a cowardly punk bitch.
by corey williams corey benjamin on Dec 28, 2006 1:17 AM CST reply actions
I know
by JoJoEnglish94bulls4ever on Dec 28, 2006 2:21 AM CST reply actions
Floor Angle
by corey williams corey benjamin on Dec 28, 2006 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
All the Posey/Deng & Hinrich/Wade
Does anyone expect someone to jack up 3's a couple steps behind the arc? I would say bombs away!
About the incidents...
In light of the post game comments by Pat Riley, I wonder if Posey's foul wasn't some sort of retaliation aimed at the Bulls. He clearly tomahawk chopped Deng in the face with some non-basketball intent in mind. I felt bad for Deng as he lay there writhing in pain that no one came to his defense, but Ben Wallace, the guy closest to the foul, was a big part of why there's such an outcry against fighting in the NBA, and he obviously knew the consequences of engaging in another fight.
Here's where I'm on the fence though. How does a team handle an obvious strike against it's manhood? Will the Bulls be looked upon as less than men (a bunch of pussies actually) because no one stood up for Luol, suspension be damned? Will Wallace be looked at as soft? Will other teams think they can get away with similar fouls? The game outcome in the Bulls favor intimates that it didn't affect them all that much, the main culprit being Posey and his track record against the Bulls. But it still irritates to know that Posey stood around with false indignation on his face instead of a bloody nose or black eye.
If the league doesn't come down harsh on his for his thug-play, then what?
And while I applaud the Bulls restraint, part of me wonders if it isn't because they are soft (and Ben Wallace tamed after judgment from the malice in the palace)?
by james@lifeinthecell on Dec 28, 2006 9:24 AM CST reply actions
Nothing's better than waking up and
Who were the Bulls supposed to commit a hard foul on? The best target, Wade, was hurt, and Posey had already been tossed. It doesn't do any good to get a suspension over knocking Jason Wiliiams down. If the Bulls play the Heat in the playoffs, or later in the season (I haven't looked at the schedule) take Wade out of the series.
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Dec 28, 2006 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
I wasn't thinking so much about a hard foul
by james@lifeinthecell on Dec 28, 2006 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I like your thinking...
If he does this to every team, then he obviously needs a ton of effin' suspensions to straighten him out.
If he does this only against the Bulls, then he obviously dislikes them for whatever reason and shouldn't be allowed to play against them for the next three years (that would be weird, but awesome in its uniqueness).
I'd be for fighting Posey as long as it accomplished something. A hard punch in the face I'd be fine with. Some chest-bumping and minor scuffles where Posey runs away, and it's pointless.
Finally, maybe the Bulls not retaliating is good for them. If Posey gets a light punishment and does it again next time, the Bulls can retaliate and have a good "the league didn't do enough" argument on appeal of the subsequent suspensions. If the league doesn't allow players to police themselves, then they obviously have to.
Second finally, it's almost too bad the Bulls didn't get in the fight. It'd be nice to see them get the media attention that any fight undoubtedly does. You'd have a million experts talking about how great the Bulls have been under the radar since "headband-gate" and how they have "come together" as a team. blah blah blah. I should work sometime today.
Wallace
Wallace knows that hes an integral part of the team, and were he to do anything more than jaw with posey, there would be suspensions down the road; which we cant afford (especialyl with games against PHX, CLE, and DET looming around the corner). Plus, if anyone going to pick a fight on the team, lets send skiles out there....he'll beat the shit outta anyone, including shaq
I must commend our boys for stnaidng idly by; they put the team above all else. Plus luol got alotta love on SC this morning
You're missing something...
Not that Posey doesn't deserve a forearm across the face next time we see him.
by defensive indifference on Dec 28, 2006 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
actually I didn't miss that
Even after the Bulls won their first title, that next year MJ had to get in X-Man's face to let him know they werern't gonna take any shit.
And it happened without fighting or hard fouls, but he did something.
I saw nothing last night, not even, as someone mentioned above, all the Bulls on the court rallying around an injured Deng.
by james@lifeinthecell on Dec 28, 2006 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Conjure the Glory Days!
by defensive indifference on Dec 28, 2006 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
the bulls beating them on the scoreboard is enough
by GWKD on Dec 28, 2006 10:14 AM CST reply actions
Actually
I know Kirk and Haslem each got a technical for jawing at each other but I don't know if it was before or after Luol got hurt. I don't remember the announcers saying anything about technicals.
We all know Kirk gets no love from the refs so if he intentionally did grab Wades wrist he would have been called for a foul especially if he does it all the time like whiney ass Riley says. I was glad to see Gordon defend Kirk. Can you imagine the build-up there will be for the Jan. 27th game with the Heat in Chicago?
Bulls - Heat
There were two main incidents I noticed then but since I was at the game I didn't have the advantage of seeing a replay.
1.)When fouled by Nocioni in the paint, Mourning threw his arms out and hit Nocioni in the face. It was a totally unnecessary action and appeared deliberate and Noc talked to the ref about it right after the incident.
2.)After Wade was hurt he bowled over Noc(I think)supposedly fighting through a pick, but it appeared that he was more intent on just inflicting a little pain on Noc than actually trying to get to Kurt.
In addition
And I remember the Wade foul on Noc; at the time I thought nothing of it, but in hindsight maybe Wade was pissed cuz he knew he was hurt.
by james@lifeinthecell on Dec 28, 2006 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Hooray for starters:
Duhon: -10
Gordon: +14
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2006 1:51 PM CST reply actions
Nocioni -17!!!
by james@lifeinthecell on Dec 28, 2006 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Gordon Bench versus Starting
Any comparision between "the Gordons" is pretty frought, I admit. First off Ben was a starter early in the season, and he always begins the season slowly: as a starter or sixth man. It's also difficult to quantify how he will perform when initially matched up against front-line players. As it is, he can often get into a bit of a groove, then when it's crunch time, the opposing starters have to deal with Gordon hitting his stride. Which is to say, he can drop 40 on you.
But those gameflow stats are pretty funny. Kyle Orton part deux?
by Freethefro on Dec 28, 2006 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Deng Status?
Thank you.
by Freethefro on Dec 28, 2006 1:53 PM CST reply actions
posey
I
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That felt good... still got more in me tho...

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