Game Thread #5: Bulls at Cleveland Cavaliers
The first meeting of what should be a very entertaining season series. Bulls vs. Lebron and the Jamesons. Immaturity aside, Lebron is the most likely candidate at MVP, and I even picked the Cavs to finish with the Conference's best record. But they're obviously not perfect, evidenced by an OT home loss to the Hawks on Tuesday.
For those who thought the Bulls defense was 'already good' and didn't need an upgrade, remember the tough times they had with athletic superstars like LeBron:
The Bulls employed different defenders such as Luol Deng and Andres Nocioni, but nothing seemed to work against James.
``LeBron was able to get off on us a little, and we didn't do a good job of stopping him,'' said Bulls guard Kirk Hinrich after a 91-72 win by Cleveland on March 5 completed the sweep. ``He's made big plays against us all season.''
Chicago will try to use a combination of Deng and Nocioni again, but the addition of Wallace - a four-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year - should help cut down on James' penetration to the basket.
However, Bulls coach Scott Skiles does not want his perimeter defenders to rely too much on Wallace lurking behind them.
``That has become an issue already,'' Skiles said. ``We have some lazy perimeter defense and that is not fair. Ben Wallace is very adept at not getting into foul trouble. But, we need to play better perimeter defense.''
I heard that Skiles quote after the game Monday, and it's probably natural. Hell, look at how Detroit's defense is faring...having Wallace makes your team better defenders, not just an upgrade at the center position. Hopefully it won't lead to what Skiles is fearing, although one great benefit is that it allows a sometimes-shaky defender like Gordon (or anyone, really, not to pick on Ben) to let Wallace cover up his mistake. And that (and Thabo!) keeps him on the floor to put up points.
But one guy that may help just as much as Wallace is Tyrus Thomas, who hopefully will be playing tonight. Not sure if they had this in mind during draft night (who am I kidding, the pulsing brain of Pax was all over it), but after watching his early career you can envision Thomas as a future LeBron-stopper.
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This is a big game, exposure-wise (TNT, LeBron hype, etc...) and in terms of an early 'test'. The Cavs frontcourt is deep, but with their offseason additions the Bulls should have closed that gap. Still waiting for the half-court offense to show up, but a nice display of transition basketball would be nothing to complain about.
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Go Bulls!!!!!
maybe
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 7:19 PM CST reply actions
ben gordon off to slow start
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 7:23 PM CST reply actions
offense is off to a horrible start
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 7:29 PM CST reply actions
the bulls are staring a blowout in the face
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 7:41 PM CST reply actions
this feels like a game
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 7:42 PM CST reply actions
defense looks a lot better
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 7:49 PM CST reply actions
most teams
hey kidd....when u posting the pics of us?
I'm trying to find the code
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
first one to 40 wins
by fireskiles on Nov 9, 2006 7:52 PM CST reply actions
3 to's by cleveland
why is big ben sitting....
donyell marshall
anyone hear
they dont have much in the way of a backcourt, and while I understand hes a rookie, you would thought hed seen more than 5 minutes....
im not bashing skiles
here ya go
Here you go, Miles. I had to resize that sucker a few times to get it down to a reasonable fit.
This is milesgmsu (left) and me at the Bulls home opener somewhere in the 300 level. I was shitfaced when this pic was taken, so I look like the second comeing of the holy ghost.
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 8:16 PM CST reply actions
ya you were a bit drunk
hey kidd...i didnt hear ya clearly....your words were a bit slurred....what was your name
not to be the only one posting
COME ON!
as bad as the offense has been
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 8:19 PM CST reply actions
I'm seeing some serious disrespect
by Robbo on Nov 9, 2006 8:26 PM CST reply actions
or hate James
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 9, 2006 8:28 PM CST reply actions
I was just gonna say that
Anyone who can guess
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Nov 9, 2006 8:35 PM CST reply actions
the new technical foul enforcement?
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Nope
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Nov 9, 2006 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Halftime observations
- Cavs are getting too many open shots.
- Cavs are killing us on the boards.
- Why is PJ Brown leading the team in FGA?
- Gordon sucks.
by Mike Aparicio on Nov 9, 2006 8:36 PM CST reply actions
ben ben ben
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 8:38 PM CST reply actions
We'll need it
by Mike Aparicio on Nov 9, 2006 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
guess skiles meme postgame
b) effort
c) focus
d) execution
e) consistency
I say a and e
by fireskiles on Nov 9, 2006 8:40 PM CST reply actions
Drew Gooden
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 8:41 PM CST reply actions
nice rotation
hinrich
deng
noch
wallace....i like it when this line up is out there
why is wallace guarding Z....i understand wallace is our big, but Z doesnt go inside as much...you could really see it in the 1st half, wallace would lay off z and hang in the paint for boards and interior defense and Z would drill shots...now he's pulling ben out of the paint...keep Z or PJ or T-Time on him
Skiles has to be livid
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 8:49 PM CST reply actions
fg %
why clevelnad is even trying to go
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 8:56 PM CST reply actions
Wow
17 PTS
11 AST
7/10 FG
3/3 3PT
2 STL
1 TO
1 PF
by Mike Aparicio on Nov 9, 2006 8:57 PM CST reply actions
it'd be more monster
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
thomas needs to learn
get tyrus outta there
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 9:00 PM CST reply actions
im giving up hope on this game...
time to force the cavs
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 9:10 PM CST reply actions
trade him
all I'm saying if you aren't going to play him then trade him and get something, how can they sign him for the $ he will want if he rides so much pine
although unfortunately Cavs never missed entire game, so not sure if it matters :)
rookies comments
by NY Chicago Fan on Nov 9, 2006 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, i knda agree
unfortunately, Duhon is now taking the role of Pargo with his improved jumper which'll mean Skiles will use him a little more than I wish to see
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
i'll ask again
a) accountability
b) effort
c) focus
d) execution
e) consistency
or just praise Duhon's garbage points?
by fireskiles on Nov 9, 2006 9:12 PM CST reply actions
who cares
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Better question
Technically not a question.
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Nov 9, 2006 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
he's in now
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
A little late at this point
by Mike Aparicio on Nov 9, 2006 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Deja Vu
by Mike Aparicio on Nov 9, 2006 9:19 PM CST reply actions
I'm in pain...
by Bullschicago on Nov 9, 2006 9:21 PM CST reply actions
to be honest
by james@lifeinthecell on Nov 9, 2006 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Very frustrating
by jsty1633 on Nov 9, 2006 9:32 PM CST reply actions
Trade for a go to guy?
Maybe too much defense
What was
Kirk had a great game tonight.
By the way I hate LBJ.
LBJ is too full of himself.
Skiles
I'm not sure I got what Skiles was trying to do tonight. Once Gordon finally got a field goal, he didn't draw up any more plays to get him to the basket and get him going even a little. It seemed like Gordon barely played in the second quarter (I don't have any stats in front of me). He didn't try out playing Gordon and Thabo together again either after they worked so well against Milwaukee. Why not try to really get someone going? You can't want Gordon to become your big scoring option and then not play him when he's not hitting. When he finally drove to the basket, he was taken out of the game a couple minutes later. Stick with him and let the confidence build.
The guys on TNT were right. You can't just bank on defense winning the games for you against teams that have a few big scoring options.
by nas on Nov 9, 2006 10:19 PM CST reply actions
The Cavs
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Nov 9, 2006 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Sometimes I wonder if Skiles has too many possible scoring options that he never really sticks with something. Sometimes it might not work, but you gotta stick with it.
by nas on Nov 9, 2006 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think by the time Ben hit the one basket
Gordon must go
The Bulls don't need
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Nov 9, 2006 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
My question is...
keep telling myself it's only game 5...
Cavs amazing or bulls bad
How much of it was the Cavs just hitting EVERY single 12-20 footer they took and how much was it the Bulls sucking. The Bulls Defense didnt seem that bad just mediocre but Cavs just made every god damn shot. And what is up with Ben Wallace. Isn't he supposed to be all high intensity. He sure didnt seem like a game changer type of player tonight.
Someone get Deng to stop taking random outside shots from difficult angles. I do not know how I feel about Nocioni always trying to make impossible blocks. It leads to a lot of bad highlites with him getting dunked on, but its endearing.
Anyways so was it the Bulls that sucked or the Cavs that were amazing...of course its both but to what extent?
I think...
My guesses for practice goals tomorrow:
- intensity
- shot selection and ball movement
- transition defense
- smarter help defense (like Kerr said, why does Kirk need to help Wallace with Z?)
by RingItUp26 on Nov 10, 2006 1:07 AM CST reply actions
However,
by RingItUp26 on Nov 10, 2006 1:11 AM CST reply actions
Yeah, I was thinking that, too.
LOL
23 is on the RIGHT side of this rivalry now.
by Amar283 on Nov 10, 2006 2:30 AM CST reply actions
Jason Richardson is on Golden State
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Nov 10, 2006 8:16 AM CST up reply actions
88-89 bulls swept by cavs in regular season
Let's see in April how the two teams are. Do you remember that the Bulls were swept by Clevland in the regular season in 88-89 by we beat Clevland in the playoffs? Now it's true we don't have Jordan, but in my heart I know the Bulls wiil win.
The sky is falling
by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Nov 10, 2006 8:10 AM CST reply actions
They're just not that good!
settle down there tex
Skiles not doing a good job
C: Wallace
PF: Brown
SF: Nocioni
SG: Gordon
PG: Kirk
have noc start with gordon, get gordon going early and have noc take care of the defense instead of having deng shoot around crazy shots and have both him and gordon run around in the defense
by jsty1633 on Nov 10, 2006 8:45 AM CST reply actions
What crazy shots?
Deng not, but we do have problems
Gordon 1-10 shooting? there is no room for that, Bulls need offense
Sweetney - is he hurt? could he contribute? provide some inside scoring?
rotation - playing 10+ players might not work, for example Tyrus comes in and thinks he has to have impact immediately, because if he makes basket its huge lift but bad shots missed are like turnovers
by NY Chicago Fan on Nov 10, 2006 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Calm down, people
the goal
also if you would have told me at the beginning of the week we would go 2-1 against the bucks, pacers, and cavs i would have gladly taken it, and i think we will go 2-1
RE: Skiles not doing a good job
It's a long season
I suspenct we're going to see Sweetney getting some playing time pretty soon, to see if he can get some things going. He's a good option offenseively in half court sets and he takes up enough space on the floor that he can cause problems on defense.
Plus, despite the Knicks two wins, they still stink.
And the Mavs and Suns have only 1 one game each.
The new starters should be.....
Thabo
Deng
Nocioni
Wallace
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 10, 2006 10:19 AM CST reply actions
Gordon=6th man
Noc or PJ starting is a wash to me, PJ should be in top 7 players regardless and Noc deserves major mins as well
I'd like to see this 8 man rotation
Starters Bench
Hinrich Gordon
Thabo
Deng Noc
PJ
Wallace I guess Allen (Sweetney if healthy/inshape)
The 9 man would be Tyrus but he's really too raw to count on in big situations so far, although I think you have to give him some mins, hopefully in games where we are playing well / winning against lesser competition that should be available - Krappy/Duhon would be 10th/11th depending on need
by NY Chicago Fan on Nov 10, 2006 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
On paper
I don't know if Skiles is afraid to tamper with the starting lineup but I don't see where it could be worse than what we saw last night.
remember who we're talking about
come on, really?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 10, 2006 11:04 AM CST up reply actions

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