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As players they're not quite similar, but Michael Sweetney and Eddy Curry will be forever linked in Bulls history. Corey Petryschuk over at Motoring (a daily read) takes an indepth look at their respective performances this season:

Notes: RR is Roland Rating. I wouldn?t have included turnover rate normally, but Curry?s is quite high.
Name PPS REB-r TO-r PER RR
Sweetney 1.31 19.7 11.8 23.3 +1.7
Curry 1.50 16.2 21.2 17.6 -15.3

Well, I think the last stat listed there speaks for itself. Yes, the Knicks are losing and Frye is owning, but -15.3? For a starter? It?s not his scoring, it?s not his rebounding, his turnovers wouldn?t affect it that much? what could it be?

Stat ON Court OFF Court Net
Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. 94.7 98.4 -3.7
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 105.0 92.6 +12.5

Now you?re on the trolley! I haven?t seen much of the Knicks yet, but the guy?s defense must be disgusting. No word on when LB?s magic will turn him into a good defender.

Sweetney appears to be performing quite well and above expectations with stickman Chandler. Like I said, those guys are a blast to watch.

 Sweetney's numbers are not entirely surprising if you've been reading here (or especially at KnickerBlogger) over the past couple years. The guy has always performed, but simply hasn't gotten the minutes.

This all gets to the value of stats as opposed to perception, as Kurt at Forum Blue and Gold pointed out in his preview of Sunday night's game:

You want to know why I think statistics matter ? Sweetney doesn?t have a classic NBA power forward?s body, but Kwame Brown does. Kwame gets fawned over and Sweetney can?t crack anybody?s starting lineup despite being one of the best front line guys for the Knicks and Bulls. You know which one you want on your team? You know who should be starting and who should be coming off the bench?

Eddy Curry hasn't been as big of a disappointment as Kwame Brown, but the idea is the same: look past the potential and get to the production.

But it's not just stats. As I'm getting my first real look at Sweetney, it's obvious that Sweetney is what Curry never was as a Bull: Active. How many times in the Laker game did you see Sweetney fight for an offensive rebound or loose ball en route to an easy basket? Curry got rebounds that came to him, Sweetney goes and gets his. I enjoy seeing an active 6'9" more than a leadfooted 6'11", and the numbers bear that out.

It was mentioned in the comments that Sweetney is 'Elton Brand redux'. That's a more accurate comparison for Sweetney than Curry. I think while Brand was underappreciated as a Bull that was partly because he was a #1 overall pick and didn't project to become a  game-changer that could lead a championship team. I understood former GM Jerry Krause's reasoning for trading him at the time (this post isn't about that so I won't go any further), and it obviously didn't work out like he expected. But trading Eddy Curry for Mike Sweetney is a welcome return to valuing actual production: undersized, wide-bodied, and all.

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Paul Ladewski doesn't read BlogABull
Or we just have differing opinions on Sweetney:

The one thing Sweetney can't do is grow three inches. As a result, he doesn't answer the need for a scorer to complement Tyson Chandler at the position, which is at or near the top of the Bulls' wish list at the moment.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 22, 2005 9:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
If Tyson could figure out how to score, he could answer the need himself. Step it up, Tyson!

by Mike Aparicio on Nov 22, 2005 10:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tyson
He hasn't learned a single offensive move in 5 years, and I highly doubt he will now that he's got a $60 million contract.

by Big D on Nov 23, 2005 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post
and I have nothing to add to it, except "Well Said."

How in the world can anyone watch the Bulls this season and think that, Matt?  Unbelievable.  He mentions Curry numbers, but completely ignores what Sweetney's done.  If I wasn't so sick and cranky, I'd email him.

by Moses Taylor on Nov 22, 2005 11:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

"Ignores"
Hey, I've lavished affection on Sweetney a few times already. That -15.3 is just what jumped out at me from the stats, so I thought I'd go with that. I suppose I could've expanded on both guys more, but it's a little late now.

by Six Eight on Nov 23, 2005 12:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps a misunderstanding?
I may be wrong, but I think the "ignores" part PDaddy was referring to was the Ladewski article in Matt's second entry in his post.

by CRG on Nov 23, 2005 12:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hm...
Well, I was the one who put up the stats at the top and focused on Curry, so I presumed it was directed at me.

by Six Eight on Nov 23, 2005 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry
It was directed at the article Matt linked to.

by Moses Taylor on Nov 23, 2005 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well said, indeed
all the bases covered...great post.

That ladewski article made me nauseous, or it could be my cereal.  Probably both.

by CRG on Nov 22, 2005 11:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

print media...
Isn't this just another example of the print media just completely misinterpreting this trade? Most of the Chicago papers had Thomas as the key to that deal... while most blogs (including this one) and well thought out ESPN articles (ok... only the Hollinger one) accurately had Sweetney and the draft picks as the primary Bulls pick-ups. Now that Sweetney is starting to perform well... suddenly the headlines are chirping that Sweetney is the "surprise" of the deal. It's really just a bit ridiculous that those in the print media appear to not take the time at all to read any of the online information about the team.

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