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Game Thread: Bulls vs. Bobcats

I'll have an 'official' game thread up here all season, your place for comments before, during, and after the game.

However I probably won't be writing much today since I'll be there in person.

Commenter 'One F' beat me to getting up a preview, so go there.

Man, it's gonna be a great night: the Bulls are back. Well, great unless they lose to the freaking Bobcats.

UPDATE(11pm):. Wow. I stayed the whole game, but not because I'm some never-say-die fan, I just was stunned they looked so terrible and was trying to figure out how they could be down 25 at home to the Bobcats.

Then Pike hit some shots, they locked down the Defense (finally), and Duhon had a spectacular game especially considering he was the only ballhandler left when Kirk Hinrich went down in the 4th with a sprained ankle. Darius Songaila started his soon-to-be-fabled Bulls legend with the tying 3, and by then the momentum was all Bulls.

The best feeling leaving that game was realizing how the Bulls used to play the role of the team waiting for the epic collapse. Playing all those big games last season mattered, as the Bulls were now ready to take over when given the opportunity, while the young Charlotte team looked on with bewilderment.

I'm too emotionally spent to do a full breakdown. Luckily the team's next game isn't until Saturday in New Jersey, so we have plenty of time to banter about plenty of material.

There's still much room for concern, but for tonight I'll just be happy with an exciting win, and as part of the celebration I hereby declare a self-imposed moritorium on Chris Duhon bashing. Needless to say a triple-double earned it.

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Lonely Thread
Just got home and we're in third quarter.  They look horrible.  Anyone have any comments?

As i said in One F's preview, this doesn't exactly surprise me but it still disappoints me to be getting killed by a team that, depsite improvement, will still be one of the very worst in the association.

Dalibor and Dragan

by FAQ on Nov 2, 2005 9:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

oh god
season's over

by smegmatic on Nov 2, 2005 9:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

damn
i wish there was a way to delete comments so i didn't look like an idiot.

by smegmatic on Nov 2, 2005 10:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No Hope
Wallace is not always this good.  Can't see it on TV, but it seems to be by the radio broadcast that the shots are going in and out.  A terrible ballhandling game, but some things are alright.  Noc seems good, Chandler is defending, Ben is off, duhon is playing well, Hinrich might be hurt, but hopefully not bad, but if we can play to our strengths, this game will seem like a bad bad dream.

by DabullsRDaBest on Nov 2, 2005 9:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not so bad
Tied with :05 left.  Good defense, allowing 9 pts so far this quarter.  I think that season's over is a bit premature.

by DabullsRDaBest on Nov 2, 2005 10:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

25 down to send it to overtime
What a turnaround.  I am in shock.

by DabullsRDaBest on Nov 2, 2005 10:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Down by 25
And they come back to tie it with a 3 by Songalia with 5 seconds left.

Are you kidding me?

The backboard is your friend.

by simplesinger on Nov 2, 2005 10:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That crowd is rocking
Is there anyway they lose this game now?
The backboard is your friend.

by simplesinger on Nov 2, 2005 10:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Anybody watching this?
Holy crap.  No way they lose now.  What is the deal with this game and why the sudden turnaround?  I live in Texas so I can't watch the game.

by kinglerxst on Nov 2, 2005 10:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is a huge surprise
still, why were they getting pounded by this team?  i guess after years of being so horrid we've forgotten that there are a fair number of games we're SUPPOSED to win.  and this was certainly one of those.
Dalibor and Dragan

by FAQ on Nov 2, 2005 10:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Unlikely Heroes
Piatkowski and Songalia.

What the hell just happened there?

The backboard is your friend.

by simplesinger on Nov 2, 2005 10:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We Won!
WE WON!

by spartacus007 on Nov 2, 2005 10:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

LOL
Same 'ol Bulls. Let the other team get out to a double digit lead early. Fall farther behind in the second half. Stage a furious comeback. Win a nailbiter in OT.

by The Cheat on Nov 2, 2005 10:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

cheat
didn't think i'd see you here since you never alluded to basketball on your site.  anyways, glad to see you on.

HurlyBuerhle

Dalibor and Dragan

by FAQ on Nov 2, 2005 10:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Big College BBall fan
But...I'm lost when it comes to the NBA.

I watch the Bulls, but I would never claim to be anywhere near an expert. I'll leave the blogging about them to the professionals.

by The Cheat on Nov 2, 2005 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

YES!
This would have been an extremely depressing loss but they turned it into an emotional win.  This was nice, but I hope they can come out and play in the first half from now on.  GO BULLS!

by kinglerxst on Nov 2, 2005 10:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

what happened?
I live in Miami and had to follow the game on Gamecast...any insight from someone who watched live would be much appreciated.  

thanks

by dcarioca on Nov 2, 2005 10:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What happened?
Short version, they gave up a lot of penetration and easy buckets in the first half, didn't shoot well, and gave up 89 points through 3 quarters--then they started a classic comeback run.

Like they did so much last year, first they locked things down on defense, forcing Charlotte into perimiter shots they don't hit well, then used some steals and 3 point shots from Pike and the new Songalia (who needs a nickname) and a huge 3 point play from Tyson.  I'm just glad they kept the energy up in the OT and didn't blow it.

Charlotte also had a couple of cheesy turnovers, but there were at least 3 clear offensive fouls by my count that were called blocks on the Bulls.

by dbt on Nov 2, 2005 10:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Songbird
He sorta looked timid out there, so "Songbird" might be fitting.

by bpa on Nov 3, 2005 8:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Crap
I don't care that they won.  I don't care that they came back from 25.  This was a horrible game and an incredibly bad predictor for the rest of the season.

It came across on TV/radio that the crowd was rocking?  I'm shocked.  I was there, and Ozzie F'in Guillen got a bigger ovation than the Bulls at any point.  

Sure, it was exciting.  But it's still depressing that they fell behind that bad to the Bobcats.  They looked like complete doo-doo most of the game.  Even during the comeback, they managed to do it in the most unimpressive manner ever.

Positives: I like the new scoreboard.  

by Moses Taylor on Nov 2, 2005 11:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ozzie
Is the new Ditka. He owns this town now. But as far as the crowd goes, it wasn't as 'rocking' as it would've been if 35% of the crowd didn't leave. Not that I blamed them, as the Bulls looked really really awful. The boos were out early, always fun. but comeon PDaddy, at least we know the effort of a Skiles team is still there. Like I said in the post I can be content with that for tonight. But I guess it's never too early to wonder what the hell happened for the first 40 minutes.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2005 11:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Watched it on NBATV
Well, I must admit, I was horrified.  I was telling myself that they were going to struggle early in the season, but they'd find their way eventually, and, well, if they were in the lottery this year, was that really so bad?  And they did look horrible.  But I gotta tell you PDaddy, it was a beautiful thing to watch that comeback.  It may have looked ugly live, but it was all about heart, tough D, and clutch play.  I think the Bulls showed that, yes, they are going to have trouble early, trouble scoring, and trouble scoring early.  But they also have tremendous heart, and a crazy knack for making the hustle play or clutch shot when the game is on the line.  I found myself thinking that Duhon was going to be a HOF-er!  I mean, c'mon!  And how about our new Lithuanian friend Songaila?

Champions or not, this team is an entertaining roller coaster every night.  Next time the Bulls are down by 25 in the 3rd, are YOU changing the channel?  I'm not!

As an addendum, may I say that the OT win is particularly sweet given that the Knicks LOST in OT.  Against what is probably a superior team, granted.  But still, a nice beginning to the ultimate goal of switching picks with them in 2007, which means that everything is working out as it should.  Go Chicago Bulls -- may half your games be this much fun to watch after halftime.

by preverbal on Nov 2, 2005 11:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Since I'm in 'searching for positives' mode
I take some solace in knowing the defense can't be that bad for long. Else Antonio Davis was really Ben Wallace and we never fully appreciated it.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2005 11:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Griffin
As if on que, Real GM had a headline about our possible interest in bringing Griffin back.

by bpa on Nov 3, 2005 8:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A win is a win!
Was at the game tonight.  Yes, there were some serious concerns on a number of levels but it was one of the better comebacks they've had in recent memory and the last Q/OT were as exciting as anything.  We'll deal with the negatives later, let's just enjoy the win and one of the strangest phrases we'll ever say here: Chirs Duhon, Triple Double."  

by Jobu on Nov 2, 2005 11:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

1/82nd
Guys, we started 0-9 last year, didn't get our legs steadied until January and still managed 47 wins.  Yes, we looked shaky last night but so did the Spurs/Nuggets on Monday night.  Not that anybody is going to confuse us with a deep-run playoff team but there's really no need to sweat until December at the earliest.  We are definitely going to have some rough seas in the first few weeks.  Not only are our players rusty but key pieces are brand new parts of the team.  Plus, we lost major chunks of leadership.  This season is all about the young guys with some time in the organization assuming leadership roles.  I think we'll be ok.  If we're like this in mid-late January, then I'll start bailing water.

by CookDing on Nov 3, 2005 7:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Last Night
I was at the game as well. It was pretty depressing through the first three quarters, especially when Kirk went down. He looked pretty tenative out there before the ankle sprain though. I was among the people booing them off the court at halftime. What a terrible display. But they managed to turn things around in the fourth. Who would have thought the last guy off the bench, Pike, would give them such a lift?

It was amazing to feel the energy building as the Bulls erased the deficit. And then Songaila hit the three and it was pandemonium. Okay, not really. But it was pretty damn exciting.

As bad as they played through three quarters, this team showed maturity in battling back. Two years ago (which is what they looked like for much of the game), this team would have quit. But they kept at it and came out on top.

How ironic that Matt's favorite player, Duhon,  led the team in points, rebounds and assists. He's not going to light anyone up, but he plays hard and distributes the ball well. 7 assists and a big three in the fourth quarter.

There were definitely a lot of concerns early last night, but there were some positives as well. It should be an interesting season.

[BTW, my new favorite NBA resource is Popcorn Machine. Their game flows are very slick and informative.]

by Mike Aparicio on Nov 3, 2005 8:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Popcorn machine
yes I love that site, was gonna use that for my more ::cough:: in-depth analysis of the game(if I ever actually do it).

The whole game I was thinking "man I know Nocioni's +/- is going to be AWFUL". They just went in the tank whenever he came in.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2005 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When Chris Duhon is the only positive...
I was at the game with PDaddy, and we were trying to  find something positive about the game.  Obviously Duhon's performance was one, but what else?  I think Chandler's new facial hair was number two on our list.  The defensive effort was terrible until the fourth quarter, and we got lucky that we were able to come back.  Songaila had three CAREER three point attempts before that shot, without which we would have lost.  Not to mention that we were bailed out when Knight fouled out and Charlotte had to go with Felton.  I'm not the least bit happy about this game.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Nov 3, 2005 10:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Perspective in the morning
Ok, you know why I'm upset about last night?  I'm beyond being "just happy" when they win.  Lucky to get a win is so 3 years ago.

The Bobcats are likely the worst team in the NBA (non-nomad division).  Yes, not quitting was good to see.  But I think this team should be beyond moral victories.  An OT win (even without the comeback) against Charlotte should be alarming.  Maybe if they played without Kirk the entire game, it'd be acceptable.  But they actually played significantly better once he got hurt.

Chandler looked like a rookie again.  Gordon looked horrible (and he didn't even like he was trying until the 4th quarter).  Deng and Noce looked incredibly slow on both ends of the balls.  Sweetney is fat.  Thomas looks like he's going to be a ballhog.  Songbird (thanks, I like it) looked tenative and weak.  I mean, Gerald Wallace looked like Kobe out there last night.  

It's early, so I'll try to keep things in perspective.  But I'm officially saying that I'll be surprised if this team makes the playoffs (their division is going to eat them alive).  And no, Curry wouldn't have made a lick of difference.

Note: I'm going to save this post, and post it when they're playing at home in the first round so that I have official proof of my idiocy.

by Moses Taylor on Nov 3, 2005 11:32 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Songaila
Songbird is the right idea, but too anglo.  We need something that sounds vaguely like a Euro nickname.  I propose Lala.  As in "Lala made a 3 last night that made him look like he's taken way more than 3 3-point attempts in his career."

by preverbal on Nov 3, 2005 11:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

nickname
As long as we can all make a solemn pact never to call him D-Song.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2005 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The guy behind me
at the game last night kept calling him Sensi. I couldn't tell if he meant it as a wise guru type or a stoner type of name.

by One F on Nov 3, 2005 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One game
I'm not ready to make any generalizations on the team yet. Give maybe 20 games?

Well then again this is what blogs are for. I will have the flamethrower out by the weekend if they look this bad again.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2005 12:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Last season
Last night reminded me a lot of last season's home opener against the Nets. Down 20+ in the second half, the Bulls battled back to force two overtimes before coming up short.

There are definitely some areas of concern but the Bulls can adjust. The important thing is we're one game ahead of where we were last season... ;)

by Mike Aparicio on Nov 3, 2005 1:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

one difference
In the nets game last season the Bulls had the game won and gave it away due to missed free throws.

This time they closed it out with confidence. It could just be b/c it was the Bobcats, but I also think this is a more mature team due to last season's run.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2005 1:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly my point
They have matured since last season. It's a little early to start worrying. It'll be interesting to see how they respond against the Nets on Saturday. Any word on Kirk's availability? All I've seen so far is that it's a "mild to moderate" sprain. Fortunately they did away with the IL and we can swap in Badsen or Pargo until he's ready to go.

by Mike Aparicio on Nov 3, 2005 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Predictions?
Sorry if this has been covered here before, but after seeing this team play their first real game, what's the over/under on the number of Bulls wins this year?  In general, not just based on the ugliness yesterday, I'll be very happy if the Bulls are over .500 and make the playoffs.  I think a back slide is somewhat inevitable, but it's important that the Bulls keep their heads above water and continue a run of (hopefully) perennial playoff appearances.

On the nickname thing, how about this:

DAINA   f   Lithuanian
Means "song" in Lithuanian.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Nov 3, 2005 2:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I liked it
Last year was a lot of bad play erased by great play late. So far the same thing. We will see in the next two games (NJ and SA) how they play against good teams. We can all step off the ledge for now. Two years ago we would have been thrilled. The past eight years we have had terrible opening games and that has turned around for this year. Skiles is also known for figuring out his rotation 7-10 games into the season. I thought he would be quicker because the nucleus is the same but we did lose Curry.

Predictions:

We will lose some games badly. We will win some games that we shouldn't easily. I say 44 wins and a playoff spot. We will lose in the first round again unless we get lucky and draw a Washington again. I also predict that the Bobcats will not be as bad as people seem to think. They won't make the playoffs but they will win 25-35 games. Some of them against good teams.

Story:

I was at the game last night and Harry from ESPN was sitting in front of me. He left at halftime. Bum. To be a sports analysist in Chicago I feel you should watch the games you are talking about on the radio. That said, he was very friendly.

Conclusion:

Let's buy some beer, sit back, and enjoy a young team get better and better. There will be many exciting games. Guaranteed.

by One F on Nov 3, 2005 3:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Kinda Makes you smile....
A little off the subject, but I just saw this, and can't say that I'm not happy about it:

Not Starting Disappoints Crawford:
"Jamal Crawford sounded disappointed and angered that Larry Brown benched him in favor of Quentin Richardson as the starting shooting guard. Crawford looked crushed and didn't seem to understand the move. 'I'll be professional and be ready when my number is called. That's it.'" -- New York Post

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2212315

by dcarioca on Nov 3, 2005 4:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

friendly reminder
Use the Diaries section to your right for Off-topic comments.

I love that item though. I need to buy league pass just to see the Jamal & Eddy show.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2005 4:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Overreacting
I know I am, but I do think it's still a bad sign of things to come.  I'm not on the ledge, I'm just not as optimistic as I was a couple of days ago.  Skiles kinda agrees with me about that game:

Coach Scott Skiles had a lot on his mind Thursday as he tried to pinpoint what caused the Bulls' meltdown through three quarters against Charlotte. Their struggles had them down by 25.

"Maybe in the middle of the season, if you're playing pretty well and you come out just one night and don't play very well, you can blow it off and move on," he said. "But that was opening night. That has to be looked at and addressed."

How bad did the Bulls look a day later on tape?

"Sometimes you play a game like that, and you look at the tape and realize that it's not as bad as it seems," Skiles said. "This is actually worse."

by Moses Taylor on Nov 4, 2005 9:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He's a good coach.
You aren't supposed to be happy about that performance. I liked the fact that they still can come back at any time. I would prefer if they would just win outright but . . .

by One F on Nov 4, 2005 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interior D
A big problem last game.  They need ME in the middle!

by The Artis Formerly Known as Gilmore on Nov 4, 2005 1:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Artis Gilmore
Seriously, if I'm not mistaken, Artis Gilmore has the highest career FG percentage in the history of the NBA.  And was supposedly one of the strongest men ever to play.  Trade TT for a 32 year old AG and the Bulls win the title THIS YEAR.

by preverbal on Nov 4, 2005 10:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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